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PostSubject: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:39 pm

This article reflect as it is the "atmosphere" in Formello and in our city.
Vicenzo Cerracchio , a good journalist, is one of the few having the courage to show how things are goin on...

I have no time to translate it and so, please, help yourself:

Un marziano a Formello

Vincenzo Cerracchio - Il Messaggero

Ballardini è stato male interpretato, Lichsteiner non sa quello che dice, la Lazio manda i giocatori in campo in base alle loro qualità, il gruppo non vuole i dissidenti. Questo, in estrema sintesi, l’ultima esternazione di ******, che parla ininterrottamente da giugno ed è quindi l’unico di cui possiamo fidarci.

Mai udita, del resto, nell’ultimo anno solare , la voce di Zarate (parla davvero?), che dovrebbe essere, quanto a carisma, l’alter ego di Totti nella Capitale. Sono intervenuti, negli ultimi mesi: Cruz per dire che era contento di venire alla Lazio e prendeva il numero 74 in onore del primo scudetto biancoceleste; Rocchi e Siviglia per dire che non c’era bisogno di rinforzi; Matuzalem e Lichsteiner per dire che Ledesma e Pandev servirebbero come il pane.

In precedenza, a mercato ancora in corso, il ds Tare, che pure è uno che conta, aveva giurato che sarebbe arrivato almeno un difensore più forte di Rozehnal e del perduto Lugano.

Se un marziano, esperto di calcio e non di pallone, sbarcasse a Formello in queste ore, constaterebbe una qualche confusione, questa contrapposizione d’intenti, una non troppo latente spaccatura nello spogliatoio (scorie della gestione Rossi, sicuramente).

Incontrerebbe giocatori esausti e si accerterebbe che stranamente nessuno di loro fa il mediano di professione; vedrebbe un Ledesma consumato dalla tensione, un Pandev rassegnato, un Firmani incredulo, più altri fantasmi vaganti (“Bonetto chi?”); uno Zarate innervosito da una squadra che non lo capisce, o no lo assiste, secondo i punti di vista; un Kolarov stralunato, un certo Eliseu; un gruppo che aspetta che qualcosa accada, che arrivi presto la prossima sosta, poi le feste di Natale e il mese di gennaio, che riparerà ogni male.

Pazienza se nel frattempo ci sono decine di partite da giocare: passerà la nottata, come sempre nel calcio. E poi c’è la Supercoppa racchiusa in una teca: a monito dei pochi che non credono al motto “che ti rafforzi a fare, tanto vinci lo stesso”.

Il nostro marziano si farebbe forse qualche domanda marginale e inopportuna, di certo irriverente: tipo se questa squadra trionfante a Pechino, alla lunga, possa finire invischiata in zone buie della classifica.

A gesti (il Tevere d’accordo, ma come si mima una grossa cubatura?) gli faremmo sapere che per ora non è problema all’ordine del giorno. Per il momento ai laziali coesi non manca nulla. Grazie, stanno benissimo così.

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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:26 pm

Good article, and really sums up what's going on in our club at the moment. I'm used to not winning every game, but the current state of our team is depressing to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:45 pm

Please someone translate this for Sile, who complains when I say LOTITO VATTENE.

edit: References

Sile to Conn
Sile wrote:

You only came here to shout Lotito Vattene. He's not the one making blunders in the dying minutes or the one missing sitting ducks. Football's played on the pitch not from Monte Mario.


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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:52 pm

Conn wrote:
Please someone translate this for Sile, who complains when I say LOTITO VATTENE.

Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:46 pm

okay so translate the summary ? if its depressing dont bother iam already depressed. No
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:21 pm

Conn wrote:
Please someone translate this for Sile, who complains when I say LOTITO VATTENE.

edit: References

Sile to Conn
Sile wrote:

You only came here to shout Lotito Vattene. He's not the one making blunders in the dying minutes or the one missing sitting ducks. Football's played on the pitch not from Monte Mario.

Man I don't complain when you shout Lotito Vattene, do is as often as you like, it's just that by shouting L V all the time you're taking all the responsibility of the players' backs and ascribe our defeats to a failed summer mercato instead on the poor performance by some individuals or the team all together.
And why is Ballardini never criticized? Is Lotito also the one creating the tactical plan and calling in the subs? Why does Zarate play on the right when he's far more dangerous on the left (see goals against Elfsborg, Samp in Coppa finale, derby against merda etc. etc.), why does Foggia seem to be playing alone...
These are the things I want to know, not the whole reason for the dissidenti situation or the silenzio stampa.

And it also irritates me to see people calling the supercoppa win a lucky win.

I'm pissed at Lotito for a ton of reasons too, I'd kick him in the nuts given the chance.

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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:12 pm

Since it looks like i'm not going to sleep, I will take the pleasure to translate it for you tonight.

Sile, concerning our discussion, it's a matter of point of views. I don't want to take the responsibility out of the players (and in fact, Cribari has been criticized by the fans). My point, however, is that we cannot, following a famous quote, "ask a bear to sh*t in a toilet". We all knew that Cribari, Siviglia and Diakite couldn't take it more. To make an extreme case: if I'm called up to play for Lazio next sunday, I'd be ridiculous on the pitch: would you blame me or the one who put me on the pitch?
Ballardini will have to take a side. So far he has proved no personality, just to passively accept lotito's rule.

The situation, however, is much more complicated than just our roster. It's a big mess. Lotito is the only one who speaks, and the more he speaks the more messy it gets, since, as a matter of facts, he's managing another great task: putting the fans against some players (Siviglia and Rocchi, so far).

If I wanted to criticize lotito, I could be writing about facts for hours. The issue of Pandev and Ledesma, for instance, is another ridiculous thing that we have to cope with. Players such as Lichsteiner and Matuzalem who dare saying "we miss them" are harshly bashed by lotito. Ballardini says "we are tired" but also that "the dissidenti are our by technical choice". According to Lotito, Rocchi and Siviglia gave the OK to the mercato, but now Siviglia complains "we are tired".

PS About the supercoppa, it's true is a lucky win. It does not mean we didn't deserve it, but that we were lucky, that's fairly evident. I'm actually afraid that this victory made someone think we were unbeatable, even without Pandev and Ledesma and a good central back, affecting our mercato...


To be continued...
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:48 pm

Conn wrote:
PS About the supercoppa, it's true is a lucky win. It does not mean we didn't deserve it, but that we were lucky, that's fairly evident. I'm actually afraid that this victory made someone think we were unbeatable, even without Pandev and Ledesma and a good central back, affecting our mercato....

By analogy I could argue that for instance the Juve loss was an unlucky one. But that's a senseless discussion.
I managed to translate the article myself, thanks.
I just want to express my opinion that the current state on the table does not reflect the objective capabilities of the squad and that there's enough potential in these players to make this a memorable season, if they manage to stay fit. Lotito is a prick at human relations and is worsening the situation, so the situation can pan out in three different ways:
1) Lotito gives in - Ledesma is reintegrated, players who voiced their opinion are not reprimanded
2) status quo - things stay the same and the only thing than can better the situation is some success on the pitch
3) Lotito goes mental - Ledesma and Pandev are dismissed, bad results continue as dissatisfaction rises , Ballardini gets sacked, the season is ruined

Am I a fool for hoping for the first choice to come true? Am I a bad laziale if I momentarily settle for choice nr 2?

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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sat Sep 26, 2009 12:35 am

A Martian at Formello

Vincenzo Cerracchio - Il Messaggero

Ballardini has been misunderstood, Lichsteiner has no clue about what he says, Lazio fields the players according to their quality and the group does not want the “dissidenti” back. That’s, making a very short summary, the latest message from lotito, who has been speaking uninterruptedly since June, and hence he is the only one we can trust.

Never has been heard, this year, the voice of Zarate (does he really speak?), who should be, concerning charisma, the other Totti of the capital city. Have spoken, in the last months: Cruz, to say that he was happy to join Lazio and that he chose number 74 to honor the first Lazio scudetto; Rocchi and Siviglia to say that there was no need of reinforcements; Matuzalem and Lichsteiner to say that Ledesma and Pandev are greatly needed.

Before, with the mercato still ongoing, the sport director Tare, who is a big name too, had swore that at least a defender would have arrived, someone stronger than both Rozenhal and the missed Lugano.

If a Martian, knowledgeable about “calcio” but not about “pallone” landed in Formello in these hours, he would find a certain confusion, a clash of intentions, a not even too latent division in the locker room (Rossi’s management effects, for sure)

The Martian would meet exhausted players and would find out that, strangely, none of them is a true central midfielder; he would see a Ledesma consumed by the tension; a resigned Pandev, a Firmani who cannot believe what’s happening, plus some ghosts walking around (“Bonetto who?”); a Zarate upset about a team that does not understand him, or does not assist him, according to the point of views; an overwelmed Kolarov; a guy named Eliseu; a group that waits for something to happen, hoping for the next break to arrive soon, and then Christmas and January, which will fix all the wounds.

It does not matter if until then there are many matches to play: the night shall pass, as always in football. And then there is the Supercup, kept on the shelf: as a “memento” for the few who do not believe the motto “no need to reinforce the team, you win anyway”.

Our Martian friend would ask himself some marginal and inopportune questions, and certainly arrogant: such as wondering why if such team, which triumphed at Bejing, can end up struggling in the bottom of the table.

With some gestures (the river Tevere that’s ok, but how would you mime a huge building complex?) we would tell him that it’s not a problem we are worrying about. At the moment, the cohesive Laziali have everything they need. Thanks, they are perfectly fine like that.


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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:59 am

Thx Conn for translating.

The true is that this is very complex issue. For a moment I felt like that martian.
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:48 pm

A good article and, while I can't sympathise with Goran Pandev, I can sympathise with all others involved - Ledesma, Firmani, Stendardo, Lichti and Matu, not to mention the 26,000+ abbonati who are being insulted with this mess.

Its an ugly situation, I've always tried to remain neutral in the pro-Lotito, anti-Lotito debate. The way things are going though, make it a lot harder to do that.

The death of lazialita' at the club is for me the most worrying thing about it all though, putting aside the embarrassment squad management we're seeing from Lotito and Tare.

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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:31 pm

The situation is complicated because we have a f'cking idiot as owner.

I say again what I have been saying a 100000 times - boycott Lotitos Lazio!!!!

Don´t go to the games and he will have to sell.
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:13 am

centrocampista wrote:
The situation is complicated because we have a f'cking idiot as owner.

I say again what I have been saying a 100000 times - boycott Lotitos Lazio!!!!

Don´t go to the games and he will have to sell.

As much as i agree with you, this will never happen. The fans love for supporting the team is bigger than their hatred of the president.
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:54 am

I think that our main problem is we don't have a good coach, we need someone with strong personality to battle Lotito and to introduce order in the dressing room, and of course he should be a good coach
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:05 pm

Look our midfield and then tell again its the fault of the coach....you can be as charismatic and have the biggest personality in the world....but you cant change mauri or baronio to worlds class midfielders...they are average trap and accept it...Things above are smellng really bad...and be even happy Balla is still confident and happy in his position...he has some complicated times at the moment...
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:38 pm

we can't compete with the top clubs that's why we don't need our midfielders to be world class. You can call me a fool or naive but I think Mauri and Baronio can get the job done. That's why I'm saying we need some one who can inspire the guys to give 150% of themselves and someone who can take risks. We are lacking players right now - so call some one from the primavera
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:23 pm

Everyone has the right for their opinion. So do you. But i wont agree with you...if you want you survive the relegation then yes mr baronios and maurisleepius can do the job. Good luck :)
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sun Sep 27, 2009 1:36 pm

Roman_Eagle wrote:
we can't compete with the top clubs that's why we don't need our midfielders to be world class. You can call me a fool or naive but I think Mauri and Baronio can get the job done. That's why I'm saying we need some one who can inspire the guys to give 150% of themselves and someone who can take risks. We are lacking players right now - so call some one from the primavera

You are neither naive nor a fool.
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PostSubject: Re: Men From Mars in Formello   Sun Sep 27, 2009 2:03 pm

I don't want to argue with no one it's just my opinion I just hope that Bala some time this season finds the backbone to confront Lotito
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