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PostSubject: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:13 pm

I think it's time to say about Zarate now. I'm tired of his selfishness.
I admit his dribble & pace are good. But it is all. He doesn't know when he should pass.
There are only two options for him. 1) Dribble 2) Shot
I'm convinced his character has ruined our team performance though our midfielders are not good enough to help him.
And it is clear that we should have not paid 20M euros for him....
If Lotito had used that money on other purposes, we could reinforce two positions at least. Lotito & Tare are so ridiculous.
Zarate has tried 77 shots, which is the most numerous things per a player in this season. But he has scored only 2 goals.

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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:18 pm

I was mad about the first situation when Maurito dribbled instead of passing Mauri on the right and, was it Matuzalem, on the left. We could easy score there and match over. I was thinking of Maradona why he is not calling Zarate for NT but after this season perormances I understand the Great Diego. Zarate selfishness this season is all levels high. I belive he cost us many goals and points this season.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:19 pm

Delio Rossi already said last season that Z is a good player but has still to learn much ... but it seems that :
1/ he just cares about himself while playing, me me me me me and me
or
2/ he didn't learned a f*ck this season, so I blame mr Davide B for this
or
3/ that's the way he is, in good and bad days
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:35 pm

A coach with a trong caracter is very much needed(new coach)....So what is youre point....thats Zarate is a flop and is a average striker?
Last season Foggia and Zarate were on the top almost all the games....now theres ballardini who is more as a failure then rossi was. And both foggia and zarate are like ghost compared last season.
WHEN there will ever be a new coach i bet things will change...
I fully support Zarate and yes he has a lot to learn but with this idiot he wont learn anything....but then again a bad experience is always good for the future.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:55 pm

If you only saw my reaction to that episode.

I am beginning to dislike him really.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:05 pm

SO its Zarates fault. Where is Kolarov who played like smelling as or Rocchi who didn't touch the ball for 17 min or Bronio who didn't make 1 good pass.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:19 pm

At this scene you are right when you say that Zarate is too selfish. But he as yesterday one of our best again.

AND now itīs easy to say that Lotito should not have buy him. At the end of last season, everybody wanted Lotito to sign him.

Zarate has my support - Lazio have to change the coach, then it will be much better. A coach who will be fully respected should sit on our bench.
Itīs the same case with always crying at the refs. Under Rossi - that didnīt happen.

Itīs right that Maurito is too selfish, but for that problem we only need a new coach.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:22 pm

it seems some people are tired of always criticizing Mauri,Cribari,Meghni,Manfredini...

now theyre looking for new goats... first Muslera and now Zarate!
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 4:50 pm

The players should do the same as Zarate, just stop passing the ball to him. Ballardini should have balls to bench him
for his selfish play... oh wait, he has none.

His selfish play makes our attack easily predictable and it's no wonder that we barely manage to score 1 goal a game,
not to say win a game in the first place. Right now I would rather have Inzaghi up there instead of him.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:09 pm

hamidsinisa wrote:
it seems some people are tired of always criticizing Mauri,Cribari,Meghni,Manfredini...
now theyre looking for new goats... first Muslera and now Zarate!

Muslera has been the best player in this season although he made some mistakes, but Zarate is a different case.
And I had thought that paying 20M euros for him would be a gambling for us. If he doesn't change his attitude, his real value would be under 10M euros.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 5:12 pm

hamidsinisa wrote:
it seems some people are tired of always criticizing Mauri,Cribari,Meghni,Manfredini...

now theyre looking for new goats... first Muslera and now Zarate!

It's nothing new. I agree with Coreano and have been repeating this for some time.

Zarate has been doing this from day one but most people forgot this because he had an excellent start to his career (and when he was not on form Rocchi & Pandev were there to score, which is not the case this year) and helped us to win the derby and Coppa Italia.

This year his selfishness (or inability to make a right decision, whatever you call it) probably cost us the recent big games (like the recent game against Salzburg and the derby), not to mention numerous episodes in other matches. He absolutely deserves the criticism and he deserved it last season but got away with it. Which was probably a mistake because he carried the same thing to this season.

Saying "he still was one of the best" should not be an excuse because IMO a player should be judged on how he fulfills his potential. Obviously for example Manfredini is nowhere near Zarate's ability but if he does the maximum of what he's capable of then I'm satisfied with him. Whether he plays or not depends on the decision of the coach, not the player.

I disagree we shouldn't have signed Zarate even if the price is debatable. Zarate certainly didn't pay off the 20M yet and it's a risk that he might never will. However it's clear he has this fantastic ability with the ball and at 22 years old has the potential to become a world class player and maybe even best Lazio player ever. Besides he is the kind of player people pay to watch and pay for his jersey, so commercially he's also usefull.

Unfortunately on the pitch he seems to think he's Maradona and can do things on his own most of the time. It's sad but tottina (who is a prick himself nonetheless) was right about Zarate not being a champion.

Champions are those who do their best for the team to win. At the moment it's clear that trying to dribble through the whole defence all the time while a couple of your team-mates are screaming for a pass is not the best for the team. It worked last year but it doesn't this year, and will probably not in the future.

Someone needs to kick some sense in to Zarate because he's in danger on ending up as someone like Denilson (the one who signed for Betis for 32 million) and missing out a chance to become Lazio legend.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:52 pm

Delio had Zarate tamed having him subbed almost every game but now Ballardini has brought Zarate back to his original self - dribble and not pass
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:32 pm

even if Messi come to Lotito's Lazio he will suck...Zarate is the best Lazio player right now...whom do you like him to pass for ?!? (tell me one player who can score...you see what Mauri did last night!!! OMG)
...this stupid and so shameful Balardini's taktics sucks so much...do you think that Zarate is "Rambo"?!!!? alone in attack against whole defence...
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:11 pm

zoran wrote:
even if Messi come to Lotito's Lazio he will suck...Zarate is the best Lazio player right now...whom do you like him to pass for ?!? (tell me one player who can score...you see what Mauri did last night!!! OMG)
...this stupid and so shameful Balardini's taktics sucks so much...do you think that Zarate is "Rambo"?!!!? alone in attack against whole defence...

I agree with this. It does piss me off when Zarate doesn't pass but like Zoran said, to who? Zarate gets no service and he probably feels, and quite rightly so, that if something is going to develop then he has to do it himself. It's not right but I point the finger at Balla's tactics.

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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:48 pm

im not going to say its zarates fault, if anything hes been the best ALWAYS this season, but what really PISSES ME OFF is that this little bastard can be 10 times better and 10 times more useful than what he already is if he just PASSED the ball SOMETIMES, he never does it! Its like he completely forgot how to pass by now, even if hee tries he fails, hes too used to the ball on his feet.

KID WAKE UP!
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:20 am

zoran wrote:
even if Messi come to Lotito's Lazio he will suck...Zarate is the best Lazio player right now...whom do you like him to pass for ?!? (tell me one player who can score...you see what Mauri did last night!!! OMG)
...this stupid and so shameful Balardini's taktics sucks so much...do you think that Zarate is "Rambo"?!!!? alone in attack against whole defence...

He should pass it to the player who is free, it's pretty simple really. Which is more likely, Zarate dribbling past the whole defense or Mauri to score when he is free? My guess is the latter one and this comes from someone who doesn't value Mauri too much. It is a hundred times better to have a scoring chance missed than run into the defense, loose the ball, frustrate your team mates and then act like a crybaby after it.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 6:30 am

im not saying that his is doing good job with not passing the ball - im just saying that Zarate selfishness is not the problem for our bad results...like i've said our tactic sicks and Zarate doesn't have any competitive player to mach him..
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:30 am

zoran wrote:
im not saying that his is doing good job with not passing the ball - im just saying that Zarate selfishness is not the problem for our bad results...like i've said our tactic sicks and Zarate doesn't have any competitive player to mach him..
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you are right for sure but you can't deny we missed some goals because of his constant dribbling
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:57 pm

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At this scene you are right when you say that Zarate is too selfish. But he as yesterday one of our best again.

AND now itīs easy to say that Lotito should not have buy him. At the end of last season, everybody wanted Lotito to sign him.

Zarate has my support - Lazio have to change the coach, then it will be much better. A coach who will be fully respected should sit on our bench.
Itīs the same case with always crying at the refs. Under Rossi - that didnīt happen.

Itīs right that Maurito is too selfish, but for that problem we only need a new coach.

I fully agree! If Lazio have a coach who wants to be respected by his players Zarate won't play this way. Look at Suarez in Ajax. Last season he was the same like Zarate but this season he is a new guy .. he gives more passes and even scores more goals. And how did this happen ? Ajax changed their coach and probably he has told him not to play always on his own.

All of you guys were big Zarate fans and the end of last season when he was on top of his game and now when he has problems you all don't like him and wish he wasn't bought by Lotito .. Suspect

That's not the way it should be done! If Lazio play bad then lets just become fans of another team which plays better ?!
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:14 pm

The only reason why he doesn't pass is because he has no one to pass the ball to, we couldn't blame him really, the tactic is wrong, not the player(s)!!

As for being selfish, he is pretty much "losing" confidence of his own team mates.. what would happen if you lost confidence in a team game?? You'd lose the game!!
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 3:49 pm

Zarate is not the problem. Our midfield is. We have no creative players in the midfield, whe only have Foggia there.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:25 pm

When Ballardini came to the club, he specifically said Zarate needs to play more for the team. It is not selfishness, it is a temporary loss of individual brilliance.

Zarate is shooting from places this season that he would have scored from last. He is less selfish now than last season but he is lacking in confidence, that's all it is. Add to that the fact that defences now know the kid; he has to vary his game, defenders are wary of him tucking in from the left, bringing it on his right foot and cracking it first time.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:35 pm

Caxi wrote:
When Ballardini came to the club, he specifically said Zarate needs to play more for the team. It is not selfishness, it is a temporary loss of individual brilliance.

Zarate is shooting from places this season that he would have scored from last. He is less selfish now than last season but he is lacking in confidence, that's all it is. Add to that the fact that defences now know the kid; he has to vary his game, defenders are wary of him tucking in from the left, bringing it on his right foot and cracking it first time.

It's true the defenders know him etc. but making a pass has nothing to do with "temporary loss of individual brilliance." A short pass is one of the simplest things on the game and every footballer is able do to it no matter how good or bad his form is.

That he has no one to pass the ball to is also a poor excuse. Just look at the animated GIF in the first post in this thread, he had at least one very good option to pass to. And that's just an example, it happens often. Meanwhile Vucinic picked out a good pass and we lost the derby...

Not saying Zarate is the main fault of this team, but he certainly must make use of his team mates more. If I'd be a team-mate of Mauro I'd be very angry after some moments. Probably there are some who are unhappy about it but we just don't know that.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:42 pm

I don't mind him trying all those shots, after all he's one of the few players in Lazio who actually have a pulse, a heartbeat. What I do mind is other people trying out, most notably Brocchi and Baronio, when it's apparent they couldn't score to save their lives.

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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:55 am

Probably it's only time I defend Lotito job. Seems that in the summer he had a situation without any good solution. Just imagine what would have happened in the summer, if Lotito haven't bought Zarate??? But now, when he for once done something to fulfill dreams of fans, he's blamed for doing it. No matter what Lotito do (good or bad), he's an evil. I don't like him, and his policy too, but I'm sick reading all these comments. When Lotito buys Zarate - he's an evil, when Lotito doesn't buy Zarate - he's an evil. So what he should have done in the summer?
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