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martinese
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:13 pm

An experienced coach like Reja can tell him all this and maybe tell him that he must change his way of play for the good of the team and himself.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:43 pm

Kris wrote:
Il Capitano wrote:
I think you kind deny that Zarate has worldclass talent. He is our first player in a long time in our team who has worldclass talent, probably Peruzzi being the last. We just can't afford him to sit on the bench. Actually him and Floccari fit each other perfectly. Wait and see.

Lets not go overboard.

IMO, he is a very fine player... but world class? i think not.

I said worldclass talent, not that he is playing worldclass all the time. Obviously he isn't worldclass yet, but he has the skills for it.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:19 pm

he will never be a worldclass player
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:51 pm

Max_Cady wrote:
he will never be a worldclass player

if we will field Rocchi instead of him, he won't be a world class player. He has to play, he has to have good midfield behind him and a coach who knows how to use him. We all know what Maurito is capable of.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sat Feb 13, 2010 10:15 pm

Il Capitano wrote:
Kris wrote:
Il Capitano wrote:
I think you kind deny that Zarate has worldclass talent. He is our first player in a long time in our team who has worldclass talent, probably Peruzzi being the last. We just can't afford him to sit on the bench. Actually him and Floccari fit each other perfectly. Wait and see.

Lets not go overboard.

IMO, he is a very fine player... but world class? i think not.

I said worldclass talent, not that he is playing worldclass all the time. Obviously he isn't worldclass yet, but he has the skills for it.

^^How right a man can be...this guy is 22 (and in his mind he probably still is a kid Wink), it's normal that he doesn't play worldclass all the time but he is one of the greatest talents and he does have to learn things, that's normal!! Just look at how he touches the ball, cruises past defenders, that is something one cannot learn...you're able to play like that or not! But to pass a ball more often, that is something one can learn and Maurito will learn it...
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sat Feb 13, 2010 11:41 pm

It will be interesting to see if the expected line up actually takes the field in the first place, Reja might be fooling us all? To be honest, I don't think one game on the bench would do Zarate any harm at all, as long as he doesn't have a strop about it. He has played over a season and a half with virtually no breaks from the starting line up, even untouchable players like Rooney and Drogba get left on the bench from time to time.
If Rocchi and Floccari play and don't do much, what an impact player we have to come off the bench against tired legs.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:51 am

he s partnership with floccari was good(also last year with pandev),he have problems with rocchi and mauri(only the blind man cant see it)
he s selfish style of this year depend a lot of our tactic that we played,without any supporting of the middle,the only support was kolarov(and after he gets the ball he shot),or rocchi in ofside.
he is little selfish,but not to much like a lot of you thinking(he gives the ball for floccary,matu,foggia or meghni,cruz)
with he s technicue everyone will be little selfish,even ME tongue
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:56 am

give zarate kid a chance with reja, and lets hope reja doesnt play him in the middle as balla always did.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sun Feb 14, 2010 5:07 am

Ed wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the expected line up actually takes the field in the first place, Reja might be fooling us all? To be honest, I don't think one game on the bench would do Zarate any harm at all, as long as he doesn't have a strop about it. He has played over a season and a half with virtually no breaks from the starting line up, even untouchable players like Rooney and Drogba get left on the bench from time to time.
If Rocchi and Floccari play and don't do much, what an impact player we have to come off the bench against tired legs.

I echo these sentiments 100%.

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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:43 pm

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I don't know why we should defend on Zarate. I agree that his ability is incredible. But he doesn't know how to use it well.
If a player only knows about himself, he would not be useful for his team and other companions.
I'm worried that he has followed Ortega's or Denilson's failure. They just knew about dribble.
Even his statistics shows his performance is not good in this season.
He has tried 104 shots in Serie A, but he has scored only 2 goals until now. One of them is a penalty.
It means his goal per shots is 0.019. But we can say he is a good player? I don't think so.
I know our midfield is not good. But it is clear that he has not helped our team.
I hope Reja could change his arrogant attitude.

Can we say say he`s a good player? Yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:00 am

The impact arrived from the bench
Everyone looked happy and we won, I don't think the bench did him any harm so far...
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:02 am

Well done Mauro. Came off the bench, looked good and it worked out well. Right place, right time. Great to see him end his goal scoring drought as well. Hopefully this spurs him on and he keeps on producing.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 1:30 am

i dont know did the bench or he s right position make the impact(he follow the action very good,he didnt go to ofside)
playing with floccary he didnt have any problem until now
about the bench,if we want to use somebody 100 % than my opinion is that rocchi could be more useful from the bench than as the starter(age,condition etc)
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:42 am

I have to say: Some people here, are a dilemma, not Zarate. Sleep

I canīt understand people here in this forum, who think that Zarate should often sit on the bench, or saying that heīs not good enough, and all this other bla, bla, bla.

I donīt blame Reja that he benched him. Zarate wasnīt angry about this, because I think that he would have sowed it after scoring the goal. But he was very relaxed. He showed a good character, and I liked it.

But some people here want that Zarate should always come from the bench. I canīt go with it. Mauro is our most dangerous player. Last year everybody was in love with him, and nowe some "fans" here want to see him out. Some want to sell him.... No

Mauro is our first real talaented player since Nesta, and I canīt believe that here are people who want to have him sold.


Some people here forget that two important players (Ledesma and Pandev) got out of the team and Lotito didnīt bring anyone. Zarate had to do in the midfield and in attack every game. So he couldnīt do it like last season.

Now he has Floccari (who played very good against Parma) and Ledesma back in the midfield + a better coach. Iīm sure that Mauro will show his best again.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:57 pm

Of course Zarate don't should be sit on the bench, he is to good for that. But i think that is was good for Zarate that Reja put him there, so he stop with his "i am best in the hole fu*king world".
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:41 pm

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Of course Zarate don't should be sit on the bench, he is to good for that. But i think that is was good for Zarate that Reja put him there, so he stop with his "i am best in the hole fu*king world".

right! It was good from Reja to give a sign, but many people here want Zarate to bench all the time or want to sell him in the summer. And in my opinion, this wonīt be the right way for Lazio.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 6:53 pm

Reja is just giving a clear message, nobody is 'untouchable', even Zarate.

If Lazio has to grow as a team and battle on the pitch, there must be more than 11 gladiators, we NEED 16 gladiators, even the ones on the bench.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:31 pm

pazke wrote:
Reja is just giving a clear message, nobody is 'untouchable', even Zarate.

And Maurito gave the right answer!!

He was great yesterday and he finally broke his deadlock scoring again!!
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Mon Feb 15, 2010 7:37 pm

Now, it was a good choice to bench Mauro the first half. But in the coming matches I want him from the start. Preferably with both Flocc and Rocc.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:47 am

during this season we have a lot of untouchable players so its better to give the mesage everyone not only mauro,
live the mauro to play he s game and in he s position,nothing else,everybody will be happy
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:45 am

If we only want Lazio to be ha "under-half" team, then we can sell Zarate. Because when a team in regular have bad players and fight for their existent players like Zarate don't fit in. But if we in the future build a better team, players like Zarate is necessary. Just for the simple reason that he is very good, a typical man against man player. And that is what a team in the top need.
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Feb 16, 2010 11:48 am

every player needs to be benched every now and then. IMO it helps - gets some rest, realizes he's not untouchable and makes him work harder
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:57 pm

Roman_Eagle wrote:
every player needs to be benched every now and then. IMO it helps - gets some rest, realizes he's not untouchable and makes him work harder

fully agree!

result was already showable with an immediate goal?....
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:00 pm

jacobsweden wrote

If we only want Lazio to be ha "under-half" team, then we can sell Zarate. Because when a team in regular have bad players and fight for their existent players like Zarate don't fit in. But if we in the future build a better team, players like Zarate is necessary. Just for the simple reason that he is very good, a typical man against man player. And that is what a team in the top need
thats it
put yourselfs in he s position sometimes,he play with players wich are under he s level,he have training together with them(knows theys possibilitys,and for that reason sometimes he looks selfish,as the example one single question shot or dribl or give ball for mauri,brochi,baronio,rocchi(who is worst position than him,or in ofside)kolarov(who will shot from largest distance than mauro)
he s not only our best player,he s player that every team in the world will like to haved,he can finish game alone with goal or assist
some coachs gives the right answer benching their players but some of them not(example,foggia was benched under balla even when he had a good or great game,even if he s assist give us three points)
one game bench its not end of the world,but benching him every game?we dont need this
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PostSubject: Re: Zarate dilemma   Tue Feb 16, 2010 8:58 pm

http://goal.com/en/news/10/italy/2010/02/16/1793365/mauro-zarate-is-like-ezequiel-lavezzi-as-he-doesnt-pass

And he is totally right. Yes, Zarate has the best dribbling skills but the football is not just dribbling. I like more players like Rocchi and Floccari, so in my opinion couple of more matches starting from the bench could only serve him well.And something else I don't agree that there are no players enough gifted on which he can't pass. There is Rocchi , who he dislikes obviously , there is Foggia as well but he doesn't play to often this year , last year we had Pandev, now we have Floccari....
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