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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:20 pm

The first he should do is going too "the painting of Gabriele" at the north stand and lay down some flowers.
That's the best a new player for la Lazio can do.

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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:23 pm

Welcome Eyal! I really hope he gets a lot of first team football so he can show us what he can do ..
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:30 pm

it don't matter if you're black or white
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:35 pm

Very exciting signing!

I just hope that Balla isnt over protective of him, and that he gets the sort of first team opportunities that his talent deserves.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:24 pm

How could anyone even think that a transfer of a jewish player from israel wouldnt sparkle tension and feelings? i think we all have an opinion about israel, palestine and the issues going on down there. I totally understand people who have a problem with zionism, as well as I understand people who have a large problem understandng why the US are involved in Iraq/Afghanistan. I fully support the idea to keep this forum a politically neutral one, but the presence of this player will give reason to debates that probably will be hard to keep away from politics.

I cannot stand straight and say that I welcome him to la Lazio; I think I would have had a problem greeting anyone from Rhodesia or the Apartheid regime in RSA back in the days as well. But I will do my best to comment his efforts on the pitch, and try to forget that I wouldnt even buy oranges from an israeli company, nervermind footbal players...
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:31 pm

Players should be judged on their quality as a sporter and not on the basis of their nationality.
Eventhough the Curva has a rightwing background, rightwing does not equal to racism, just as left wing does not equal to communism! I feel newspapers always tend to create tensions and problems when actually nothing has suggested that the coming of Golasa would be a problem.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:34 pm

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How could anyone even think that a transfer of a jewish player from israel wouldnt sparkle tension and feelings? i think we all have an opinion about israel, palestine and the issues going on down there. I totally understand people who have a problem with zionism, as well as I understand people who have a large problem understandng why the US are involved in Iraq/Afghanistan. I fully support the idea to keep this forum a politically neutral one, but the presence of this player will give reason to debates that probably will be hard to keep away from politics.

I cannot stand straight and say that I welcome him to la Lazio; I think I would have had a problem greeting anyone from Rhodesia or the Apartheid regime in RSA back in the days as well. But I will do my best to comment his efforts on the pitch, and try to forget that I wouldnt even buy oranges from an israeli company, nervermind footbal players...

Cash i accept your opinion but the fact is that we , fans, do not open this debate!
The media did and to support mine i add this article from the Bild ( German) magazine that underline our , fans, political line and behaviour.
The article is for the nem player Hitzpl....( too long) recognised as an Anti Censored ( he has is own blog) going to play in a Censored stadium!
The journalist remind Di Canio story, IRR story and so on.
What else we need from the media?

Thomas Hitzlsperger il nuovo acquisto biancoceleste infiamma la stampa tedesca per la scelta di giocare nella Lazio. Un vespaio di polemiche nate dal noto orientamento di destra del pubblico laziale preso come spunto di polemica da parte della Germania anti-nazista e antirazzista. Un attacco frontale indirizzato verso il centrocampista tedesco, ma soprattutto contro la Lazio, che oggi ha fatto capolino sulle pagine del Bild. Come il sogno di giocare un mondiale può stravolgere una vita? Ecco il quesito che dal centro Europa scavalca i confini nazionali per piombare sino alle porte di Roma… “Dopo un campionato di andata finito malissimo non ho voglia di sedermi in panchina sino al termine”. Ha dichiarato Hitzlsperger alla stampa tedesca. “Ho dovuto agire ", ha ripetuto ai cronisti. Il quotidiano teutonico però affonda il colpo sulla Lazio: “Ha deciso di passare alla Lazio -, ma si adatta Hitz a questo club?" Perché: Per anni, insiste il Bild, Hitzlsperger si è mosso attivamente in opposizione alla destra radicale. Thomas scrive regolarmente su un blog Internet denominato "Spia di malfunzionamento", partecipa a conferenze nelle scuole contro il razzismo. Il suo credo è: "Non dobbiamo lasciare che i nazisti giochino al calcio." Ma oggi, affonda il Bild, il centrocampista ex Stoccarda si trasferisce alla Lazio. Fra tutte le cose questo club è noto soprattutto per la sua ala oltranzista presente nel pubblico. Un ampio raggruppamento di circa 7.000 uomini chiamati "Irriducibili" ( "L'indomabile chiama"). Gruppo orientato al fascismo, apertamente razzista e antisemita, che agisce di conseguenza. Grazie a questi comportamenti la Lazio e il suo pubblico negli ultimi anni si sono procurati molti titoli negativi a mezzo stampa. In un derby addirittura la Curva Nord accolse i rivali dell’AS Roma con uno striscione scandaloso: "Auschwitz la vostra patria, i forni casa vostra". Il Bild però ce ne ha per tutti e non risparmia ovviamente neanche Paolo Di Canio. L’ex-capitano laziale Di Canio (alla Lazio dal 2004 al 2006), nel gennaio del 2005 si rivolse ai suoi sostenitori con il saluto romano fascista, a rievocare l'ex dittatore italiano Benito Mussolini e il saluto nazista che racchiudono in sé molte similitudini. Dopo l’attacco frontale alla Lazio il quotidiano tedesco continua ad interrogarsi sulla scelta del neoacquisto biancoceleste e scrive… Tutti questi eventi saranno balzati in mente ad Hitzlsperger quando ha deciso di trasferirsi a Roma? Thomas non ha avrà vissuto alcun conflitto di coscienza?
Hitzlsperger sulla questione comunque glissa e passa oltre: "Ero consapevole del fatto che la Lazio mi voleva ed ho accettato. A Roma andrò con una mente aperta con la volontà di conoscere e capire. Mi impegno a continuare contro la destra estremista l’opera d’informazione per denunciare la discriminazione nei confronti delle minoranze. Non voglio dire di più su questo argomento, perché ora sono della Lazio e devo pensare alla vita del mio nuovo club".

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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:44 pm

Cash wrote:
How could anyone even think that a transfer of a jewish player from israel wouldnt sparkle tension and feelings? i think we all have an opinion about israel, palestine and the issues going on down there. I totally understand people who have a problem with zionism, as well as I understand people who have a large problem understandng why the US are involved in Iraq/Afghanistan. I fully support the idea to keep this forum a politically neutral one, but the presence of this player will give reason to debates that probably will be hard to keep away from politics.

I cannot stand straight and say that I welcome him to la Lazio; I think I would have had a problem greeting anyone from Rhodesia or the Apartheid regime in RSA back in the days as well. But I will do my best to comment his efforts on the pitch, and try to forget that I wouldnt even buy oranges from an israeli company, nervermind footbal players...

That's complete bollocks. Do you even know if Golasa is supportive of his countrys politics? His nationality has nothing to do with anything.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:51 pm

I never put my faith in the media.

But I understand the message you are sending, and as I wrote in my earlier post, I will do my best to not drag politics in to the discussion (again?).

To NMH: Would that make a difference? The debate is always going to be out there. From one side, or the other.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:31 pm

Mark wrote:
Players should be judged on their quality as a sporter and not on the basis of their nationality.
Eventhough the Curva has a rightwing background, rightwing does not equal to racism, just as left wing does not equal to communism! I feel newspapers always tend to create tensions and problems when actually nothing has suggested that the coming of Golasa would be a problem.

That is the point.

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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:04 pm

Cash wrote:
To NMH: Would that make a difference? The debate is always going to be out there. From one side, or the other.
Would what make a difference?
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:07 pm

Ermetico wrote:
Cash wrote:
How could anyone even think that a transfer of a jewish player from israel wouldnt sparkle tension and feelings? i think we all have an opinion about israel, palestine and the issues going on down there. I totally understand people who have a problem with zionism, as well as I understand people who have a large problem understandng why the US are involved in Iraq/Afghanistan. I fully support the idea to keep this forum a politically neutral one, but the presence of this player will give reason to debates that probably will be hard to keep away from politics.

I cannot stand straight and say that I welcome him to la Lazio; I think I would have had a problem greeting anyone from Rhodesia or the Apartheid regime in RSA back in the days as well. But I will do my best to comment his efforts on the pitch, and try to forget that I wouldnt even buy oranges from an israeli company, nervermind footbal players...

Cash i accept your opinion but the fact is that we , fans, do not open this debate!
The media did and to support mine i add this article from the Bild ( German) magazine that underline our , fans, political line and behaviour.
The article is for the nem player Hitzpl....( too long) recognised as an Anti Censored ( he has is own blog) going to play in a Censored stadium!
The journalist remind Di Canio story, IRR story and so on.
What else we need from the media?

Thomas Hitzlsperger il nuovo acquisto biancoceleste infiamma la stampa tedesca per la scelta di giocare nella Lazio. Un vespaio di polemiche nate dal noto orientamento di destra del pubblico laziale preso come spunto di polemica da parte della Germania anti-nazista e antirazzista. Un attacco frontale indirizzato verso il centrocampista tedesco, ma soprattutto contro la Lazio, che oggi ha fatto capolino sulle pagine del Bild. Come il sogno di giocare un mondiale può stravolgere una vita? Ecco il quesito che dal centro Europa scavalca i confini nazionali per piombare sino alle porte di Roma… “Dopo un campionato di andata finito malissimo non ho voglia di sedermi in panchina sino al termine”. Ha dichiarato Hitzlsperger alla stampa tedesca. “Ho dovuto agire ", ha ripetuto ai cronisti. Il quotidiano teutonico però affonda il colpo sulla Lazio: “Ha deciso di passare alla Lazio -, ma si adatta Hitz a questo club?" Perché: Per anni, insiste il Bild, Hitzlsperger si è mosso attivamente in opposizione alla destra radicale. Thomas scrive regolarmente su un blog Internet denominato "Spia di malfunzionamento", partecipa a conferenze nelle scuole contro il razzismo. Il suo credo è: "Non dobbiamo lasciare che i nazisti giochino al calcio." Ma oggi, affonda il Bild, il centrocampista ex Stoccarda si trasferisce alla Lazio. Fra tutte le cose questo club è noto soprattutto per la sua ala oltranzista presente nel pubblico. Un ampio raggruppamento di circa 7.000 uomini chiamati "Irriducibili" ( "L'indomabile chiama"). Gruppo orientato al fascismo, apertamente razzista e antisemita, che agisce di conseguenza. Grazie a questi comportamenti la Lazio e il suo pubblico negli ultimi anni si sono procurati molti titoli negativi a mezzo stampa. In un derby addirittura la Curva Nord accolse i rivali dell’AS Roma con uno striscione scandaloso: "Auschwitz la vostra patria, i forni casa vostra". Il Bild però ce ne ha per tutti e non risparmia ovviamente neanche Paolo Di Canio. L’ex-capitano laziale Di Canio (alla Lazio dal 2004 al 2006), nel gennaio del 2005 si rivolse ai suoi sostenitori con il saluto romano fascista, a rievocare l'ex dittatore italiano Benito Mussolini e il saluto nazista che racchiudono in sé molte similitudini. Dopo l’attacco frontale alla Lazio il quotidiano tedesco continua ad interrogarsi sulla scelta del neoacquisto biancoceleste e scrive… Tutti questi eventi saranno balzati in mente ad Hitzlsperger quando ha deciso di trasferirsi a Roma? Thomas non ha avrà vissuto alcun conflitto di coscienza?
Hitzlsperger sulla questione comunque glissa e passa oltre: "Ero consapevole del fatto che la Lazio mi voleva ed ho accettato. A Roma andrò con una mente aperta con la volontà di conoscere e capire. Mi impegno a continuare contro la destra estremista l’opera d’informazione per denunciare la discriminazione nei confronti delle minoranze. Non voglio dire di più su questo argomento, perché ora sono della Lazio e devo pensare alla vita del mio nuovo club".

I personally read that article on the Bild web-site. On the same page there is a link for SS Lazio tickets and to book a hotel. Ironic?! Maybe. Funny? Very. Ah, it is the stuff like this that makes my day.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:32 pm

I am heavily disappointed that getting a Jewish player and a German player working against racism are maybe seen as problems in our team. During days where we all eat pizza, kebab or sushi some of you should really make their mind up!

Shalom Eyal Golasa, I hope you will become a Lazio legend just as I hope it for everyone else joining our club!
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:27 pm

Completely unnecessary, all this. It's a football player, for crying out loud. Media, once again, despicable. Nobody can or will deny the right-wing ideology amongst a fraction of Laziali, but I suppose it is too much to ask for journalists to actually be up to date to a given situation, and if they are not, to shut the f*ck up and not spread completely ridiculous thoughts and articles..

Benvenuto!
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:33 pm

Mark wrote:
Players should be judged on their quality as a sporter and not on the basis of their nationality.
Eventhough the Curva has a rightwing background, rightwing does not equal to racism, just as left wing does not equal to communism! I feel newspapers always tend to create tensions and problems when actually nothing has suggested that the coming of Golasa would be a problem.

Exactly. The reaction has been 99% positive on the Italian forums I read also.

Benvenuto Golasa.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:34 pm

regardless, here he will be playing for lazio, not his country.

Like the media, we cant judge a whole group because of the actions of some ppl.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:04 am

As far as we are concerned, the lad has great foot to play football and we have the ball for him to play.

This is a simple and universal language that we must all speak.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:17 am

howie wrote:
As far as we are concerned, the lad has great foot to play football and we have the ball for him to play.

This is a simple and universal language that we must all speak.

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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:04 am

Cash wrote:
How could anyone even think that a transfer of a jewish player from israel wouldnt sparkle tension and feelings? i think we all have an opinion about israel, palestine and the issues going on down there. I totally understand people who have a problem with zionism, as well as I understand people who have a large problem understandng why the US are involved in Iraq/Afghanistan. I fully support the idea to keep this forum a politically neutral one, but the presence of this player will give reason to debates that probably will be hard to keep away from politics.

I cannot stand straight and say that I welcome him to la Lazio; I think I would have had a problem greeting anyone from Rhodesia or the Apartheid regime in RSA back in the days as well. But I will do my best to comment his efforts on the pitch, and try to forget that I wouldnt even buy oranges from an israeli company, nervermind footbal players...



Kash, your comment really surprised me!

You can dislike Israeli regime, theres no problem about that...

But this lad hasnt chosen his nationality himself!

He was born in Israel, (and its clear that he likes his country, as all of us like our countries!)

but he is a human kind, and you absolutely cannot dislike him just b'cuz he was born in Israel!
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:58 am

The media write their bullsh*t as a result of people like the one who started this group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=280589405582

What are they trying to achieve?? vergogna
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:37 am

Caput Mundi wrote:
The media write their bullsh*t as a result of people like the one who started this group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=280589405582

What are they trying to achieve?? vergogna


ATTENTION PLEASE TO ALL MEMBERS.
THIS GROUP IS NOT RECOGNIZED BY ANY LAZIO SUPPORTER.
WE STRONGLY RECCOMEND ALL TO LEAVE THIS GROUP ASIDE FROM YOUR INTEREST.
DO NOT PARTECIAPTE , DO NOT POST OR LEAVE ANY COMMENT.

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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:35 pm

and here is the answer:
"Si a Golasa in biancoceleste" http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=296661684960&ref=mf&v=info

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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:51 pm

Juzko wrote:
and here is the answer:
"Si a Golasa in biancoceleste" http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=296661684960&ref=mf&v=info

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Joined.

But my problem with the other group is that it has already been noticed by Sky Sport 24 in Italy. The actions of a very small number of people make thousands of Lazio fans look bad. It takes the media focus off every step forward Lazio fans have done over the past months to free the club from Lotito. I honestly hope he didn't sign Golasa with that intention.

I would suggest a banner or something at the Olimpico, that gets noticed by the media in Italy, Germany, Israel wherever, welcoming Golasa to Lazio, or an anti-racism message.
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:06 pm

Caput Mundi wrote:
The media write their bullsh*t as a result of people like the one who started this group: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=280589405582

What are they trying to achieve?? vergogna

That's absolutely pathetic. I'm speechless really...
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PostSubject: Re: A dogma : Shalom.   Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:28 pm

Even Sky Sport 24 just reported about the Facebook-group and the interview with Hitz on BILD, Europe's biggest daily newspaper.
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