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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:34 pm

Stupid, stupid, stupid decision ... No
The needs it's fans right now! Without fans the team will go to Serie B. Lotito sooner or later will leave the club, Baronio, Manfredini, Inzaghi, Makinwa and all the other who aren't showing any potential will also do that sooner or later but the club will always be there so the fans should be in the CN and show their support not for Lotito, not for Tare, not for Reja, not for Zarate, FOR LAZIO!
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:22 pm

Even here in Kosovo, media report about the boycot.

http://www.aktualiteti.com/sport/39-sport/6384-bojkotohet-lazio-.html
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:07 pm

I 've also decided to use my distinti nord ticket. I cant deny that I am a little curious how it will be without the curva.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:22 pm

Very sad to see that people here can not and will not understand that this protest is about so much more than our current players and coach, that this is about our eternal love, our Lazio. One (1) match without fans, without Curva Nord, one single match. They need us now, on this very moment? Sorry, but that is bullnuts. The fans have been behind them team from the summer retreat in Austria to that rainy day in Udine, from Peking to Verona, from Rome to Palermo. That's why we're 15th in the league with 25 points out of 25 matches, is it? That is how our president and his team repaid those loyal fans, is it? I think this is a question of who exactly, in this bad period for Lazio, should show respect to who. This protest is about saving our Lazio. All you read in this topic is Lazialitą here and Lazialitą there, from Indonesia to Germany, from Italy to China. Great. But when the Curva Nord then decides to do a protest, people can't understand it, it is outreageous because "the team needs them". No. Lazio needs them, and that is why they are protesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:17 pm

El Weninho wrote:
Taib wrote:
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Henrik wrote:
What do you expect him to say? "I agree with Curva Nord regarding Lotito, he is ruining the club"?

firstly: Reja doesn't know how Lotito is running the club so therefor he can not have an opinion
second: if you point to me one coach who is happy playing at home with no fans supporting the team I will do anything and I mean anything for you

@Taib: what culture is different? don't the fans all over the world go to support the team? or in EPL they give them money for that? Not to mention ticket prizes in both countries are miles away from each other

The culture to support the football club. The culture of how to follow a footballing team. Italian football match day is diiferent from English footballing matchday. I am leaving like that.

And like Taib, I'm leaving it like that as well. No need to discuss it further in this thread.

leave it the way you like but a hardcore fan is a hardcore fan and nothing can stop him from supporting his team
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:46 pm

Lotito hopes "that the fans with Lazio in their hearts will attend the game against Fiorentina". I take it Lotito admits he will not be attending then.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:47 am

Roman_Eagle wrote:
El Weninho wrote:
Taib wrote:
Roman_Eagle wrote:
Henrik wrote:
What do you expect him to say? "I agree with Curva Nord regarding Lotito, he is ruining the club"?

firstly: Reja doesn't know how Lotito is running the club so therefor he can not have an opinion
second: if you point to me one coach who is happy playing at home with no fans supporting the team I will do anything and I mean anything for you

@Taib: what culture is different? don't the fans all over the world go to support the team? or in EPL they give them money for that? Not to mention ticket prizes in both countries are miles away from each other

The culture to support the football club. The culture of how to follow a footballing team. Italian football match day is diiferent from English footballing matchday. I am leaving like that.

And like Taib, I'm leaving it like that as well. No need to discuss it further in this thread.

leave it the way you like but a hardcore fan is a hardcore fan and nothing can stop him from supporting his team

Funny that it always has to be a fight who's more hardcore Laziale and who's not. With that sentence you just said that the season ticket holders in our curva are not hardcore Laziali, correct?

Ok ok. Your opinion. Personally I feel I don't need to prove anything to you.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:14 am

wrote it to say that a fan in england is a fan in italy and there is no difference ( on the football culture issue)
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:21 pm

Roman_Eagle wrote:
wrote it to say that a fan in england is a fan in italy and there is no difference ( on the football culture issue)

Actually, there is a massive difference. I have lived in a few different places, and always followed the football culture in that city/country closely. And it might be so that the two you mention are the “two who are furthest away from each other. The rest we can see and study on telly and on the net. The differences are massive.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:46 pm

Roman_Eagle wrote:
wrote it to say that a fan in england is a fan in italy and there is no difference ( on the football culture issue)

The differences are huge.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:52 pm

How did it go?
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:29 pm

Great job CN, just great .... the team could have won the game if the fans were there and now what ? We are going full speed towards Serie B. The team showed some potential last night and if the CN was full I'm pretty sure that we were gonna beat Fiorentina!
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:16 pm

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Great job CN, just great .... the team could have won the game if the fans were there and now what ? We are going full speed towards Serie B. The team showed some potential last night and if the CN was full I\'m pretty sure that we were gonna beat Fiorentina!

EDIT.

The fans were there every single match until now. Even with our Lazio being surrounded by teams like Livorno and Siena at the bottom of the table, they were there. Whenever, wherever. I find it very, very disrespectful to write off the loss of points yesterday on those fans. As far as I know, the players get paid (way too much) to give their best and stay focused for 90 minutes every 7 days. It is so easy (nevermind so cheap) to say the fans are to blame for not winning yesterday. And about the protest itself, for the 1974th time - this was about saving our Lazio. Players come and go, presidents come and (hopefully, in this case) go. They are here to give something back to the fans who pay a lot of money to see them, to work for their wages, to fight for the colours they're playing in/for.

If they players cannot perform one (1) single match without the support of the Curva Nord, then they are not worth to play for our Lazio, because how many shitty performances have we had to endure over the past 30 or so matches, with the full support of the Curva Nord? In Genova the fans will be there, as always, to support the team.

Grande Curva Nord. Like a Star @ heaven


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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:26 pm

martinese wrote:
Great job CN, just great .... the team could have won the game if the fans were there and now what ? We are going full speed towards Serie B. The team showed some potential last night and if the CN was full I'm pretty sure that we were gonna beat Fiorentina!

And all the other games before? Now it's the fault of the fans, Jesus.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:29 pm

Lucky Strike wrote:
martinese wrote:
Great job CN, just great .... the team could have won the game if the fans were there and now what ? We are going full speed towards Serie B. The team showed some potential last night and if the CN was full I'm pretty sure that we were gonna beat Fiorentina!

With all due respect, but it's comments like these that make me visit this forum less. Incredible.
LUCKY STRIKE JUST IGNORE HIM,most people here support the actions of the CN.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:38 pm

Earlier in the season, prior to the Reja era, I would say that the actions of the CN did contribute to the poor confidence, morale and work ethic of our team. To what degree is anyone's guess but you only had to look at the player's reaction towards them to see they were affected.

I see people are jumping down Roman Eagle's throats about comparing the EPL to Serie A. I understand why but perhaps he is just using the wrong example.

The one thing that unifies world football is that some stadiums are fortresses where fans make life as difficult as possible for the opposition. Look at the City of Manchester, Stadium of Light, the Britannia, the Riazor, the San Nicola, the Angelo Massimino etc. It's universal.

The Curva Nord are unique and can definitely intimidate the opposition. We didn't have that last night; however, I cannot see a reasonable argument for saying it cost us 3 points. We battled and we played one of our better games of the season. We were winning for 85 minutes, it was a combination of bad defending and perhaps a foul that cost us the win. Not the Curva.

But if we have continual stadium protests, continual invasions of Formello, continual sit-ins etc. then we are certainly not helping our own cause.

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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:01 pm

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But if we have continual stadium protests, continual invasions of Formello, continual sit-ins etc. then we are certainly not helping our own cause.

Let's put it the other way around.

I have seen several matches this season where I honestly believed that the match was sold. There was no spirit, whatsoever. There was no willing to win, no creativity, no effort. The only thing that kept me watching those matches, going to the stadium, were the fans. As always, as ever, present, loud and proud. As if I didn't know it yet, I was reminded of who exactly was Lazio, and what this club is about. It is them, who are Lazio. It is that Lazialitą (on the stands), that is Lazio.

Continual sit-ins? I beg you pardon, but I don't see what is wrong with 5000 people gathering at the stadium on a Saturday morning, to sing their songs full of pride. Children, parents, teenagers, grandparents, all gathered together to save their club. Lazialitą. There has been one single stadium protest. One other time the fans stayed outside - and had every reason to do so - for 15 minutes. They then entered the stadium, to once again give their full support to the team. We conceided a goal ten minutes before the end of the match, we didn't win. This was against Chievo. There have been two protests at Formello, again with every reason to do so. You could perhaps even say that, if it weren't for these fans and their protests, we'd still be stuck with Ballardini, and Ledesma would still be out of the team.

People also tend to forget some other things. More than a thousand fans came together on a square in Rome, late at night, to celebrate the birthday of the oldest and most beautiful club in Rome. Their club. They stood together and sang their songs, with flags and fireworks. More than a thousand fans came to a friendly match last week to see their team play, despite everything. Thousands of fans give their full support to Lazio every two weeks. Hundreds follow the team, wherever, whenever, to give their full support to the team away from home. Whether it is Palermo or Udine, they are there.

As I said before, I ask myself who it is who should be giving respect to who, really. Is it those players (and Lotito, obviously), who have put theirselves in this situation? Or is it those loyal fans, who are there very single week to support these players (who half of the time didn't really feel like giving a hundred percent this season).
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:23 pm

Lucky Strike wrote:
Roman_Eagle wrote:
wrote it to say that a fan in england is a fan in italy and there is no difference ( on the football culture issue)

The differences are huge.

care to explain? still can't see how a football fan in england is different from the football fan in italy or anywhere in the world? they go to the stadiums for the same thing, right? they go to the stadium to support their favorite teams...as far as I know....
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:32 pm

Lucky Strike wrote:
Caxi wrote:
But if we have continual stadium protests, continual invasions of Formello, continual sit-ins etc. then we are certainly not helping our own cause.

Let's put it the other way around.

I have seen several matches this season where I honestly believed that the match was sold. There was no spirit, whatsoever. There was no willing to win, no creativity, no effort. The only thing that kept me watching those matches, going to the stadium, were the fans. As always, as ever, present, loud and proud. As if I didn't know it yet, I was reminded of who exactly was Lazio, and what this club is about. It is them, who are Lazio. It is that Lazialitą (on the stands), that is Lazio.

Continual sit-ins? I beg you pardon, but I don't see what is wrong with 5000 people gathering at the stadium on a Saturday morning, to sing their songs full of pride. Children, parents, teenagers, grandparents, all gathered together to save their club. Lazialitą. There has been one single stadium protest. One other time the fans stayed outside - and had every reason to do so - for 15 minutes. They then entered the stadium, to once again give their full support to the team. We conceided a goal ten minutes before the end of the match, we didn't win. This was against Chievo. There have been two protests at Formello, again with every reason to do so. You could perhaps even say that, if it weren't for these fans and their protests, we'd still be stuck with Ballardini, and Ledesma would still be out of the team.

People also tend to forget some other things. More than a thousand fans came together on a square in Rome, late at night, to celebrate the birthday of the oldest and most beautiful club in Rome. Their club. They stood together and sang their songs, with flags and fireworks. More than a thousand fans came to a friendly match last week to see their team play, despite everything. Thousands of fans give their full support to Lazio every two weeks. Hundreds follow the team, wherever, whenever, to give their full support to the team away from home. Whether it is Palermo or Udine, they are there.

As I said before, I ask myself who it is who should be giving respect to who, really. Is it those players (and Lotito, obviously), who have put theirselves in this situation? Or is it those loyal fans, who are there very single week to support these players (who half of the time didn't really feel like giving a hundred percent this season).

Nobody is questioning the Lazialita' of those in Rome, those who have protested and those who haven't, those who attended sit-ins and those who didn't, those who celebrated the 110th anniversary in public and those who chose not to. Or at least, I'm not.

I compared the situation to a band having to play a concert without a crowd. Yes, there are motivations behind that that would inspire you to play even without your fanbase present...but there is nothing to push you on that extra mile.

If a band found their fanbase to be not attending their concert, missing 15 minutes of one, invading their rehearsal space and confronting band members etc. can you honestly say that band is functioning 100%? So can you say this team can function 100% week in, week out?

You're probably right, they probably haven't given 100% in every game but I would rather they were given the opportunity to do so. For me, nothing will be gained from that protest and I will be waiting anxiously to eat my words. May those words choke me.

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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:55 pm

Roman_Eagle wrote:
Lucky Strike wrote:
Roman_Eagle wrote:
wrote it to say that a fan in england is a fan in italy and there is no difference ( on the football culture issue)

The differences are huge.

care to explain? still can't see how a football fan in england is different from the football fan in italy or anywhere in the world? they go to the stadiums for the same thing, right? they go to the stadium to support their favorite teams...as far as I know....

Ok.

In some previous posts you said that Liverpool and Manchester United have bigger problems than Lazio in terms of debts, but there is not an empty seat in the stadium. To be very honest with you, and I say this with all due respect, I find it very hard to believe, almost laughable, that you cannot see or understand the differences. For one, just to be clear, the protest on Sunday was the first (1st) time this season that the Curva Nord stayed away from the stadium. In all the other matches, the team got the full support, despite bad management, despite shitty performances. Wherever, whenever. Second of all, the stadium of Manchester United will always be full, whether they have debts or not. When Man Utd was taken over by Glazer, thousands of hardcore fans left the club and established Fc United of Manchester. They kept their pride, as they did not want to be tossed around by business men who do not give a flying monkey about the club, its ideals, its history, nevermind its fans. As Man Utd is one of the biggest clubs in the world, the approximately 4000 that left, were quickly replaced by others. That is a luxury (although I wouldn't swap for a minute) that a large club like Man Utd has. Thirdly, every country has its own fan culture. Where the stadium of Arsenal/Man Utd/Chelsea is filled completely with people of all kind (fans, tourists, business men, VIP, etc), our stadium is filled every two weeks with a vast majority of (hardcore) tifosi. See the difference? Fourth of all, there is a large difference between countries in terms of mentality and passion. I doubt very much that there are a lot of clubs in England, say, where thousands of fans come on the streets to celebrate their clubs anniversary, whether it's the 109th or the 110th. When I go see a match in England, a lot of the times it is the game itself that pushes the fans to sing (or not), whereas in Italy it is the fans (ultras) that sing from minute one to 90 in order to push the players forward. Different culture.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:03 pm

Caxi wrote:
Lucky Strike wrote:
Caxi wrote:
But if we have continual stadium protests, continual invasions of Formello, continual sit-ins etc. then we are certainly not helping our own cause.

Let's put it the other way around.

I have seen several matches this season where I honestly believed that the match was sold. There was no spirit, whatsoever. There was no willing to win, no creativity, no effort. The only thing that kept me watching those matches, going to the stadium, were the fans. As always, as ever, present, loud and proud. As if I didn't know it yet, I was reminded of who exactly was Lazio, and what this club is about. It is them, who are Lazio. It is that Lazialitą (on the stands), that is Lazio.

Continual sit-ins? I beg you pardon, but I don't see what is wrong with 5000 people gathering at the stadium on a Saturday morning, to sing their songs full of pride. Children, parents, teenagers, grandparents, all gathered together to save their club. Lazialitą. There has been one single stadium protest. One other time the fans stayed outside - and had every reason to do so - for 15 minutes. They then entered the stadium, to once again give their full support to the team. We conceided a goal ten minutes before the end of the match, we didn't win. This was against Chievo. There have been two protests at Formello, again with every reason to do so. You could perhaps even say that, if it weren't for these fans and their protests, we'd still be stuck with Ballardini, and Ledesma would still be out of the team.

People also tend to forget some other things. More than a thousand fans came together on a square in Rome, late at night, to celebrate the birthday of the oldest and most beautiful club in Rome. Their club. They stood together and sang their songs, with flags and fireworks. More than a thousand fans came to a friendly match last week to see their team play, despite everything. Thousands of fans give their full support to Lazio every two weeks. Hundreds follow the team, wherever, whenever, to give their full support to the team away from home. Whether it is Palermo or Udine, they are there.

As I said before, I ask myself who it is who should be giving respect to who, really. Is it those players (and Lotito, obviously), who have put theirselves in this situation? Or is it those loyal fans, who are there very single week to support these players (who half of the time didn't really feel like giving a hundred percent this season).

Nobody is questioning the Lazialita' of those in Rome, those who have protested and those who haven't, those who attended sit-ins and those who didn't, those who celebrated the 110th anniversary in public and those who chose not to. Or at least, I'm not.

I compared the situation to a band having to play a concert without a crowd. Yes, there are motivations behind that that would inspire you to play even without your fanbase present...but there is nothing to push you on that extra mile.

If a band found their fanbase to be not attending their concert, missing 15 minutes of one, invading their rehearsal space and confronting band members etc. can you honestly say that band is functioning 100%? So can you say this team can function 100% week in, week out?

You're probably right, they probably haven't given 100% in every game but I would rather they were given the opportunity to do so. For me, nothing will be gained from that protest and I will be waiting anxiously to eat my words. May those words choke me.

I'm sorry, but you cannot compare a football club to a music band, it just doesn't add up. Why on earth would a fanbase protest against their favourite band? I'm sorry, but I cannot answer to you on this one, it's just a too stupid comparison. Sadly enough it makes me believe that you do not understand what this is all about, what is going on in Rome, what those fans are fighting for.

About your quote "I would rather they were given the opportunity to give their best"... I just fell off my chair. Honestly.

1. They are getting paid a lot to perform their duties. If they don't give their best, they are not worth to play in our shirt.
2. They were given the full support of our fans the whole season. Wherever, whenever, rain, snow, bottom of the league,... Always.
3. The protests were a consequence of bad performances in which they did not give their best, and of course bad management.
4. The protest on Sunday was one against Lotito.
5. The players will be given the full support again for the remainder of the season, as always.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:16 pm

not quoting so it can be a short post:

I know that this is the first protest - all I'm saying is that it was not the right time - new coach, the team plays better and deserved the support

I want to make it clear that we are talking about the hardcore fans - we have CN, Man UTD has something else for sure ( Pool have The Kop), we are not talking about the other tribunes, cause you and me now that CN is and will be always there to support the team (the same is with the other teams we mention here). We are not talking about tourists, VIPs and etc.

Do you honestly think that in England fans don't celebrate their teams' anniversaries ?

on the matter that in england the game makes the fans sing and they are not singing to make the players play better I can give you one example: 2006 (I think) CL final: Milan lead 3:0 to pool at HT. now try to convince me that pool fans sang YNWA the whole break and a large part of the second half because pool were great the first half and made them sing......


fans go to (or should go to) games to support the team. fans should not abandon the team when the team looks and plays better. fans all over the world sing to help the team and if the team plays good - that is a fact. the football culture is universal
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:22 pm

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not quoting so it can be a short post:

I know that this is the first protest - all I'm saying is that it was not the right time - new coach, the team plays better and deserved the support

I want to make it clear that we are talking about the hardcore fans - we have CN, Man UTD has something else for sure ( Pool have The Kop), we are not talking about the other tribunes, cause you and me now that CN is and will be always there to support the team (the same is with the other teams we mention here). We are not talking about tourists, VIPs and etc.

Do you honestly think that in England fans don't celebrate their teams' anniversaries ?

on the matter that in england the game makes the fans sing and they are not singing to make the players play better I can give you one example: 2006 (I think) CL final: Milan lead 3:0 to pool at HT. now try to convince me that pool fans sang YNWA the whole break and a large part of the second half because pool were great the first half and made them sing......

fans go to (or should go to) games to support the team. fans should not abandon the team when the team looks and plays better. fans all over the world sing to help the team and if the team plays good - that is a fact. the football culture is universal

Again, with all due respect.

Nevermind.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:25 pm

so you think the fans in different countries go to stadiums for different reasons? yeah right...nevermind
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio Fiorentina : Strike   Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:32 pm

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so you think the fans in different countries go to stadiums for different reasons? yeah right...nevermind

Like I thought, you didn't understand a word of what I wrote. If I have some more time I'm more than happy to discuss this further through PM with you.
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