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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 12:47 pm

Another usless transfer link - Victor Obinna from whoever owns him now. Low budget, low quality....

Maki Mk2 anyone? drunken
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:30 pm

Inter owns him. Agree that it's a shite idea.

Renewed interest for Hernanes. Boateng seems like definitely lost. And personally I like the idea of getting Eder, if he banged that many goals in Serie B maybe he can bang in half as much for us and still be top scorer tongue
Remember we got Rocchi from Empoli that was SerieB bound at the time.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 2:17 pm

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Inter owns him. Agree that it's a shite idea.

Renewed interest for Hernanes. Boateng seems like definitely lost. And personally I like the idea of getting Eder, if he banged that many goals in Serie B maybe he can bang in half as much for us and still be top scorer tongue
Remember we got Rocchi from Empoli that was SerieB bound at the time.

Eder isn't just the top scorer of Serie B, he's probably the best player as well. And unlike our team, he actually scores his penalties.

TBH, of all the rumours, he and Carmona would make the best signings. So if Lotito looks to Serie B and actually gets something done, then we might be better off.

But ffs, pre-season starts on Sunday and our mercato hasn't gotten anywhere. Not good.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 3:32 pm

A very stretched rumour that Lugano would like to come to Lazio (maybe he was Muslera's roommate in South Africa) but an interesting one.

He would be a rock, I'm thinking of his partnership with Dias and I am smiling.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:29 pm

I would take a punt on Serie B players as well, at least they are settled in Italy and their qualities should be well known, unlike these random South American players. Problem would be where Eder would play, assuming Zarate and Floccari will at least start as first choice - would he really want to be a reserve? If we were down to two strikers then maybe, I just don't see that we need a fourth unless he is happy to be just that, last choice - midfield and Kolarov are the main areas that need sorting, as ever.

As for Lugano, am I the only one who thought he was't actually very good at the WC? He looked slow and easily turned, I would worry he'd be another Cribari rather than another Dias. Godin was far better when he played.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:41 pm

I wasn't impressed with Lugano too Ed, i think that he might be prone to mistakes and he really looks clumsy.
Why we are talking about improving the defence, when that area is maybe the strongest part of the team? In my opinion we are desperate for creative central midfielder, player that can pass the ball, and has some football intelligence.

Never mind that, i really dont think that anybody has aproached Lugano, or has intention to do it. So many players were involved in this mercato and still nothing by primary transfer targets. At the last 2 days we gonna take 4 players and that would be it..
Please lets just take some players now, it may look like we have some plan..
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 4:47 pm

Lotito and transfer plans don't mix Twisted Evil Lets just hope Lugano rumour is as Sile says, very stretched.
Please not 4 on the last day... we REALLY don't need another Seric/Brian Robert scenario...

More bad news -

Sampdoria look as though they have pinched Parma full-back Luca Antonelli right from under Lazio's noses.

The 23-year-old looked as if he were on the brink of moving to the capital, but Samp have stolen in at the last minute.

Il Corriere dello Sport understands that Samp have received an offer from Germany for Reto Ziegler, making the need for a replacement particularly urgent given their participation in the preliminary stages of the Champions League.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:17 pm

Lugano is garbage in my honest opinion. Godin is a far better bet and should be on many a wishlist this summer. Cannot believe where Kjaer has disappeared.

Seriously, if 13mil gets you a potentially world class defender to a non-Europe club then what on earth are we doing?

The other worry is that Kolarov to Man City may see a significantly less transfer fee if it goes through. The more time that passes, the more likely it is that he will stay.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:18 pm

hmmm...Lugano garbage? i would get him anytime...he is an excellent defender...would be a great deal to have a defence Radu, Lugano, Dias....

what worries me is our wings...on the right side we have only Lichsteiner, on the left nobody as soon as Kolarov leaves...

Alvaro Perreira, Antonelli, Pasqual, Oddo....we need to strengthen our wingers...I would keep even Zauri...
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:37 pm

martinese wrote:
I've seen Elm play (he has 2 brothers I think who also are football players Very Happy ) and I think that he would be a good transfer for Lazio if it happens. He is strong and could make a good couple with Ledesma.

I've seen Eder only on FM and there he is a good player but I haven't seen him in real life.

You┤re right, Rasmus is the best of them. David plays in Fulham and Viktor in Heerenveen. Rasmus Elm fights hard and has the longest throws I┤ve ever seen(Not including Rory Delap ). He can hit the ball very good as well and I guess he would be a top signing for Lazio.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Thu Jul 08, 2010 11:45 pm

Are you guys serious about Lugano? He is pure quality, would be the best signing in years. However I don't think he would join us.

Don't see why we would need Eder. We have enough strikers. All we need is a leftback and a couple midfielders and we are good.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:33 am

I think the player to watch is Carmona. He returns from vacation next week which probably explains why transfer talk has gone quiet but I do expect us to have a little chat with him. He seems keen.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:26 am

I would dearly welcome a player like Carmona to Lazio. Eder would be a sweet signing but don't know how keen he would be as potentially a 3rd or 4th choice striker. Lugano? He is classy, but during the WC he didn't impress me. Godin would be a safer bet and if I had to choose between the two, I'd take the latter.

It looks as though Lotito will miss out on Boateng, Antonelli and Belhadj. No

Brescia would like to extend Kozak's loan. Hopefully this goes through but I read Lotito wants a higher loan fee.

With pre-season starting in a few days time this sucks - although it isn't too surprising. Good to see the likes of Siviglia, Baronio, Cruz, Makinwa and Inzaghi have left though. So from what I gather, Lazio have signed Bresciano, Pintos and Gonzalez. Are they all confirmed?
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:59 am

thanks lottito- missed out on belhaj for 4 million! would have been a bargain now i hear we're interested in victor obinna- seriously lottito!?
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 5:02 am

Catania DC La Monaco said on football italia that he thinks the lack of activity in the transfer market thus far is due to cash flow crisis at most of the clubs and I agree. Inter and Milan have hardly spent while juve have kept spending down aswell, hence money isn't trickling down from the top. I think the money we did have was paid to genoa for Flocarri, after that we are basically waiting to sell Kolarov before we get back in the market seriously. Lotito/Tare are trying to squeeze every euro out of any potential kolarov deal as it will most likely fund the rest of our mercato. I'm annoyed we missed out of Belhadj as i have always like him and he wanted to come. As for lugano i would welcome him with open arms but i doubt the rumor is true and we need other positions filled first. Carmona would be a great option and i think we should also sus out Cignarini's availability at Napoli as he is unsettled. Or what about Giovincio on loan? Finally I think our best signing could be of the pitch. Lotito said on a goal.com article that Tare is soley responsible for handling all our transfers (this is why nothing ever gets done), why havent we signing west hams old DS Nani? The guy actually knows what he is doing and has established contacts - which we could use to buy and sell of most of our deadwood. Cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:11 am

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Lazio have signed Bresciano, Pintos and Gonzalez. Are they all confirmed?

I haven't seen official news about Pintos and Gonzalez.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:25 pm

Pintos and Gonzalez are in Rome now and apparently they will be official tomorrow.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:49 pm

Kozak established a decent reputation in B last year; there are murmurings that he might be included in a potential Eder deal. To reflect on an earlier point, there is no way Tare is solely responsible for transfers but that does sound like a classic Lotito excuse in the making.

We don't have the money. With Floccari, we went hunting for cheaper alternatives and were found wanting. Now we're cash-strapped. We couldn't afford Antonelli in my opinion and we're losing out because Kolarov is on the verge of City and no more. That deal is not progressing.

We need to sell Kolarov. We have cut down the squad significantly, I do believe we will be left with around 30 players come the start of the season and things are becoming manageable. But selling Kolarov is now key.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 12:58 pm

We have $$$ what happened last season when we sold de silvestri and rozenhal why didnt we get a new defender with that money. Even if we sell kolarov we will only use 5 million of that money to buy a replacement. Lotitio is an idiot we missted out on every single player we were linked 2
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:41 pm

We have spent 30 million euro on Zarate and Floccari alone in one year. We are a debt-ridden club, where do people think the money is?

The majority of fans wanted these two signings so the majority of fans have absolutely no right to complain about Lotito's transfer policy. I have insisted that the price was way too high for both.

De Silvestri and Rozehnal clawed back about a third of that. It is not enough.

The reason we missed out on Antonelli is because we couldn't afford him and the same problem could arise with Eder. If people don't believe there is a substantial economic crisis with Italian clubs, then why has Kjaer gone to a mid-table German club for pittance? Why is Lotito extending contracts in the hope that he can get, maybe, a million or two out of several players?

Face facts; we've done nothing in Europe, we were almost extinct 6 years ago, the money isn't there and signing players like Zarate and Floccari, for me, is a huge achievement.

The real problems lie elsewhere...

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:02 pm

Yes, except Lotito apparently was offering 9 million for 75% of Hernanes....

For me its not a question of money, but a complete lack of a serious transfer strategy. The changes to the non-EU regulations were bad, but we've seen players like Jaime Valdes leave Italy for 3 million euro or less. It doesn't help that Lotito isn't on negotiating terms with half of the Italian directors.

I will say this, if we are in such a financial mess then why is Lotito happy to pay 3 million for Barreto and yet watch the youth sector disintegrate. Sides like Sampdoria and Palermo, with thriving youth sectors, spend approx 1.5 million a season, where we spend 650k.

I don't get the big deal with Kjaer. It's hardly a disaster that he has left Serie A. People said the same about Barzagli when he joined Wolfsburg, and we've barely heard his name since. If German clubs want to overpay for players, then that's their prerogative.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:04 pm

I kind a get what you said Caxi, my main concern is, we are moving very slow in transfer market. Yes, we did paid 30 million euros for Floccari and Zarate, but we didn't pay them straight away. They are installment within 4 years if I am not mistaken.

Maybe I am wrong, but we aren't the only club that is in debt, most of Italian clubs are in debt, look at roma, or milan. There's a reason why we haven't done anything in europe for the past 3-4 seasons. I mean what can we expect from a "has been" players such as Bresciano (no offense to him, he's decent, but imo he's not much better that what we already have at the moment), why can we focus on one player? (instead of going to sign anybody on the planet). We didn't lose Antonelli, Lotito did, he took time to sign him, I believe they wanted 4 million euro for half of his contract, while we could have gotten Motta for 5 million euro. Why did we sign Pintos (non EU player) and Gonzalez while we still have Scaloni, Meghni, Manfredini, Firmani in our rosters.

30+ players on the squad, lack of transfer strategy, fails to negotiate contract extension for some players, fails in developing youth, can you add more?

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:05 pm

I agree with you partly. These sums such as those going for Hernanes make no sense. It looks to me that we were never after Barrera given the haste behind his West Ham deal and so, I have come to the conclusion that the media has become hugely unreliable. We have been linked with Joe Cole among others; taking things with a pinch of salt these days.

We have been lead to believe that Pintos wasn't official because of the non-EU change. It appears to me that we were never chasing these high profile names. Ederson has to be old news at this stage, for example. The only reason Pintos has yet to sign, in my opinion, is because he has yet to arrive in Rome.

Definitely speculation is unusual this summer. If there is a transfer strategy, it revolves around Kolarov whom we can't shift. So what can we expect? It's not the buying, it's the selling...

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:24 pm

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I agree with you partly. These sums such as those going for Hernanes make no sense. It looks to me that we were never after Barrera given the haste behind his West Ham deal and so, I have come to the conclusion that the media has become hugely unreliable. We have been linked with Joe Cole among others; taking things with a pinch of salt these days.

We have been lead to believe that Pintos wasn't official because of the non-EU change. It appears to me that we were never chasing these high profile names. Ederson has to be old news at this stage, for example. The only reason Pintos has yet to sign, in my opinion, is because he has yet to arrive in Rome.

Definitely speculation is unusual this summer. If there is a transfer strategy, it revolves around Kolarov whom we can't shift. So what can we expect? It's not the buying, it's the selling...

Ok, but then Lucas Correa wants to rescind his contract. He is willing to give up his wages for the upcoming season to do so. Lazio have no use for him. Why therefore do Lazio not agree to cut him loose?? That would be one less number to worry about.

Pintos signed his contract a few weeks ago and he is back in Rome now.

We must've been after Barrera to some extent because the Pumas director said Lazio had contacted them. We met with people for Belhadj and Boateng and there was contact with Sao Paulo for Hernanes.

Agree about Joe Cole. Some things are pure fantasy, like that Lugano link yesterday. Generally though you can tell when something has a bit of substance to it.

If the plan all revolves around Kolarov then Lotito is making it very difficult for clubs to sign Aleksandar.

I don't think it all comes down to cash or a lack of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Fri Jul 09, 2010 3:50 pm

Maybe not but then how do you explain the apparent willingness to splash out huge sums on select individuals and then the extension to makinwa's contract and the refusal to rescind contracts so we can extract some money.

People obviously cry cheapskate and point fingers at Lotito but it is not that simple. Just because Zarate and Floccari's fees are paid in installments doesn't mean we can write that money off. In the eyes of any economist, that has to go down either as 30mil spent in one year or 7.5 for four years. Either way, we are hindering future mercati.

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