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PostSubject: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:16 am

In this topic say your opinion. You can include a transfer rumour players.
I have this formations in mind:
4-3-1-2
------------------------------CARRIZO-----------------------------------
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---DE SILVESTRI----ROZEHNAL------RADU----------KOLAROV------
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--------------------------------LEDESMA------------------------------------
---------FOGGIA-------------------------------------FERNANDEZ------------
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--------------------------------PANDEV------------------------------------
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-------------------ZARATE-------------------ROCCHI-----------------------
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Reserves:

------------------------------MUSLERA-----------------------------------
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----???--------------MOTI-----------------CRIBARI-----------???-------
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--------------------------------MUDY------------------------------------
---------DABO-------------------------------------MEGHNI------------
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--------------------------------MAURI------------------------------------
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---------------RUSSOTTO-------------------BOSELLI-------------------
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I think that we with this first team and bench can be champions!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:39 am

according to newspapers Rossi will play with 3-4-2-1 system:

...........................................Carrizo.........................................
..................Rozehnal..........Moti............Radu.......................
De Silvestri.........Fernandez.........Ledesma..........Kolarov
...........................................Pandev.........................................
............................Rocchi................. Zarate............................

sub; Cribari, Tuia, Dabo, Mudingay, Mauri, Foggia, Poselli

But I think the Milan famous Christmas tree formation (4-3-2-1) is the most appropriate for Lazio next season?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:45 am

Just looking at the proposed lineup posts here - it seems as though Lazio would only have 2 or 3 Italians in the regular staring XI Very Happy .... we will be like the new Inter!

I want to see more Italian players.... like Russotto, Dessena, Domizzi, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:09 am

the midfield looks too attacking for me

we need someone there to act as a defensive midfielder, as Mutarelli and Mudingayi have in the past

I agree, there should be as many Italians in the side as possible (as long as they are quality of course)

Domizzi, Russotto, anyone from Italy with that kind of quality would be a welcome addition

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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:49 am

Dabo is definetly a starting 11, lol

and i think we should wait untill we have the final list of players
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:45 pm

-----------Carizzo-------------
De Silvestri-Cribari-Radu-Kolarov
---------Ledesma----------
Cesar----Fernandez
Zarate--Pandev--Rocchi
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:47 pm

Laziophilic wrote:
according to newspapers Rossi will play with 3-4-2-1 system:

...........................................Carrizo.........................................
..................Rozehnal..........Moti............Radu.......................
De Silvestri.........Fernandez.........Ledesma..........Kolarov
...........................................Pandev.........................................
............................Rocchi................. Zarate............................

sub; Cribari, Tuia, Dabo, Mudingay, Mauri, Foggia, Poselli

But I think the Milan famous Christmas tree formation (4-3-2-1) is the most appropriate for Lazio next season?

Hmm 3-4-2-1 is too defence-style. De Silvestri and Kolarov will play most of the time in the back than and in that way you have 5defenders and 1midfield-defender(Ledesma). No please, not this formation, or arrivederci Rossi.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:07 pm

AbedElkader wrote:
Dabo is definetly a starting 11, lol

and i think we should wait untill we have the final list of players


I'm with you AbedElkader, we barely just finished this season. Let's wait until closer to August when tranfer season wraps up!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:18 pm

4-2-3-1


De Silvestri Rohzenhal/Cribari Radu Kolarov

------ Ledesma Mudy/Dabo


Foggia Zarate Pandev

------- Rocchi
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:37 pm

We need width! 4-4-2!!! Our central midfielders are too poor to play everything down the middle.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:07 pm

Carrizo - De Silvestri, Rozehnal, Moti, Radu - Foggia, Dabo, Kolarov - Pandev - Rocchi, and a striker .. Amoroso or the new one ..Zarate or something

I would like to see Kolarov in the middle. I really thing that he`s very talented but..he just doesent know how to defend. He could (and he had) produce panic in our oponents penalty box. Also..i don`t want to see Radu as a central..he prooved that on left he was incredible.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:46 pm

Kurama_SSLazio wrote:
I would like to see Kolarov in the middle.

Really strange , this are exactly my thoughts about Kolarov.
I have made mention also of probable Kolarov fielding in the middle. He is able to make great raids and passes from the left flank.He posses velocity , heavy shot , decent dribble and defense abilities as well.
But I am not so confident in his value as left defender , maybe if there is someone who can help him , he would be more stable. But for now he is not the perfect choice for that particular position. And I am really keen to see Rossi doing some experiments with him , but I am almost sure it will never happen....
Also Radu as CB is not the best option in my opinion.....We need someone tall and tough there !
However I will post my system later on , when the transfer window is closed Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:48 pm

Though are team is not yet complete, I am liking what I see. This is a pretty solid squad. It might not be a Scudetto winning
squad, but I def. see a lot of raw talent. This team could finish some where in the Top 7.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:11 am

ok ok here I go

Carrizo - De Silvestri Rozenhal Stendardo Radu - Behrami Dabo Ledesma Foggia - Rocchi Pandev/Zarate

If Behra leaves we go to 4-3-3 with Zarate being our 3rd striker :) I want to see some offensive football :)
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:16 pm

Weninho wrote:
As an addition to my previous post, I'd like to add some thoughts.

I know I might sound like a negative pain in the ass, but I fail to see a plan with our transfer market so far. Starting up with signing Radu, Carrizo and Rozehnal was an extremely good start, but now what? Without having the knowledge of which tactic Rossi is intending to play, I see the signing (if it's true) of Zaraté as a kind of luxery that we should try to stay away from. As strikers we already have Rocchi and Pandev. Would it not be more clever to try to focus on the position where we still lack a huge amount of quality? The midfield that is. If Behrami leaves we have absolutely no wingers unless we want to stick with Manfredini yet another year. Foggia is one option, but then what? Mauri is able to play on the left but he's hardly reliable to deliver anymore. It's not very cheep to find those kind of players and I fear that yet another year we will bashing Lotito when we realize that we have no options whatsoever. Ever since Conceicao left Lazio has actually not been having a quality player on that position, which is pretty scary. We also badly need a backup-option to Ledesma, especially now when Baronio is leaving.

If I were Lotito I would stay away from the Arsenal-model and try to wake up and be realistic. We're not even Champions League-contenders, our squad is not better than top 10 as it is today, and the attack is not a position we need to strenghten first. We have not enough coverage if someone important gets injured or suspended on the other parts of the field. I think our management should change their prioritys a bit.

However, if Zarate arrives I will of course give him my full support. Both for him personally, but also for Alija, that really wanted to see him in Lazio. To know that his wish will come true, is my comfort.

I agree with you except for one point: that is:
We have only rocchi and pandev in front. That's not enough, so zarata is more than welcome!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:20 am

Weninho wrote:
I know I might sound like a negative pain in the ass, but I fail to see a plan with our transfer market so far. Starting up with signing Radu, Carrizo and Rozehnal was an extremely good start, but now what? Without having the knowledge of which tactic Rossi is intending to play, I see the signing (if it's true) of Zaraté as a kind of luxery that we should try to stay away from. As strikers we already have Rocchi and Pandev.


I have to disagree, Johan. While we dont know what formation Rossi has in mind, it doesnt necessarily mean Rossi doesnt. I'm pretty sure there was a reason behind signing a striker of such quality. We have been linked to a few top striker so far this Summer, im sure it wasnt not to include them in the starting 11. There must have been a plan at hand. I have read on various articles the Rossi's favoured formation has always been with a 3 man attack. With Zarate, Pandev and Rocchi, i feel we have a brilliant forward 3. Here are 3 players that can inter-change positions much like Man Utd do with Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo (I am not for one moment comparing the two), they would be very hard to mark, and cause the opposition many problems with their unpredictability.

On top of this, i think Zarate is an awesome signing, if it is finalised. This guy really has immense quality for his age, and i think we are definately moving in the right direction. I agree, we shouldnt sign player for the sake of it, but if a club like Lazio has the chance to sign someone of his quality, then i think we should definately go for it. As long as there is a well thought out plan behind the signing in regards to the formation. And i feel we do.



Weninho wrote:
Would it not be more clever to try to focus on the position where we still lack a huge amount of quality? The midfield that is. If Behrami leaves we have absolutely no wingers unless we want to stick with Manfredini yet another year. Foggia is one option, but then what? Mauri is able to play on the left but he's hardly reliable to deliver anymore. It's not very cheep to find those kind of players and I fear that yet another year we will bashing Lotito when we realize that we have no options whatsoever. Ever since Conceicao left Lazio has actually not been having a quality player on that position, which is pretty scary. We also badly need a backup-option to Ledesma, especially now when Baronio is leaving.

With this, i agree to an extent. I'm not going to pretend i know what Rossi is thinking, but im going from the articles i have read. And i get the idea, he doesnt want to necessarily play with wingers. De Silvestri and Kolarov/Radu will be very important for the way we play next season, they will have to bomb up and down the wings. A tad like we played this season, and if this is the way we are going i dont see too many problems with the midfield. Sure, we could do with a bit more quality and creativity in there. But i think Ledesma and Dabo do that to an extent, and with the purchase of Fernandez (again, if it goes through) we should be well covered here, also. Ofcourse we can also play Mauri in the 3 i feel, if we are to go with the trident, against some oppositions. But we definately need a vice Ledesma. That is definately a must.

Weninho wrote:
If I were Lotito I would stay away from the Arsenal-model and try to wake up and be realistic. We're not even Champions League-contenders, our squad is not better than top 10 as it is today, and the attack is not a position we need to strenghten first. We have not enough coverage if someone important gets injured or suspended on the other parts of the field. I think our management should change their prioritys a bit.

While i agree the attack is not a position we need to strenghten first (and i dont think it was, what with the purchases of Carrizo, Radu and Rozehnal) i do think it was a priority. I heard Tare and Vinagroli's contratcs have expired. This leaves us with Makinwa and Inzaghi. I have lost hope for Inzaghi, and while i think Makinwa can contribute, i wouldnt want to rely on him if either of Rocchi and Pandev got injured. And besides if we are going with the trident (imo, this looks very likely) then we need some substitues in there, and i feel Foggia can be one of these along with Makinwa. If we have the lead, we can easily replace either of the 3 with the 2 mentioned, or even change the formation a little and bring in Mauri/Meghni.

Weninho wrote:
However, if Zarate arrives I will of course give him my full support. Both for him personally, but also for Alija, that really wanted to see him in Lazio. To know that his wish will come true, is my comfort.

I 100% agree. This is the icing on the cake if Zarate does officially join us.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:36 am

An option for the LM position is Kolarov in my opinion. Perhaps not all the time but every so often I think it is a great idea. Foggia I assume would be the first choice for that position (at least with the current squad) but also Mauri and Mutarelli are valuable players that I feel, even though last season was not there best, they can still contribute well.

What about the RM spot? Behrami will unfortunately most probably leave us this summer which obviously sucks but if he does who will fill the spot? As a winger I mean. Offcourse Mudingayi and Dabo are options and even De Silvestri but they are perhaps too defensive.

Then again, if Rossi perhaps does a trident attack formation then one midfield player may be told to play a bit more deep to cover that an extra man has gone forward. I love both Dabo and Mudingayi and either one is good for this I think so although the right side is not that attacking style covered, it is covered well in other departments.

Just a thought.

Weninho wrote:

However, if Zarate arrives I will of course give him my full support. Both for him personally, but also for Alija, that really wanted to see him in Lazio. To know that his wish will come true, is my comfort.

Me too mate.... if he does join Lazio it would be terrific to know that Alija's wish has come true.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sat Jul 05, 2008 5:54 pm

Bobbi wrote:

What about the RM spot? Behrami will unfortunately most probably leave us this summer which obviously sucks but if he does who will fill the spot? As a winger I mean. Offcourse Mudingayi and Dabo are options and even De Silvestri but they are perhaps too defensive.
I think you're kidding when you say that Mudy can be option for winger!?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sat Jul 05, 2008 6:11 pm

I think this is what Rossi is looking at, judging from transfer speculation

GK Carrizo
LB Kolarov
CB Radu
CB Rozehnal
RB De Silvestri
LCM Mauri
CM Ledesma
RCM Augusto Fernandez
CF Pandev
LF Zarate
RF Rocchi

a lot of this I think will depend on whether Stendardo goes and whether or not Behrami or Foggia stays. I think we could see Foggia in a 3 man midfield or Behrami for that matter, so it will be interesting to see if we go 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or, as I'd expect now, 4-3-1-2. A 4-3-1-2 would mean that we could play Foggia and Behrami anywhere really. this would be ideal in my eyes, but we'll see what Rossi thinks. My only fear, as I've stated before, is the possible inexperience in our back line, especially if Zauri has gone and Stendardo or Rozehnal goes as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:44 am

GK Carrizo
LB Kolarov
CB Radu
CB Rozehnal
RB De Silvestri
LM Foggia
CM Ledesma
RM Augusto Fernandez
CF Pandev
LF Zarate
RF Rocchi

i agree with the mate above for every single position,except Foggia :) he deserves his chance and should get it this season :)
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:54 am

Hehe fellow laziali suffer from a severe case of "zdenekzemanomania" affraid

4-3-3 tactics all around,no defensive midfielders (say what you will but ledesma is not a dmf),and with these offensive right and left midfielders it looks like a 4-1-5 formation.

Well that might work against Crotone or Cremonese jocolor let's get real for a sec.Any team with a quality midfield would destroy us if we pitch such "hail-mary" tactics.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:08 am

Haha Sile, i agree. For that 4-3-3 to work Ledesma needs some big help on his sides. I think Dabo did a good job in that sence last season, i would definately keep him there. He showed not only can he do the dirty work but actual have a decent game when going forward, and that is essential for this formation, rather than someone like Gaby who would put a lot of preassure on Ledesma. Mutarelli would be another good choice, if he doesnt leave. He gets stuck in but has a brilliant habit of making unpredictable runs into the oppositions half. I'm curious to see what this Fernandez fellar is all about. In this day and age of the game, a two way midfielder is so important, and as good as Gaby has been for us, i dont think he is a two way player. He tackles, and its as if he doesnt know what to do. Its the only reason why i am chosing the other over him.

A lot of people are choosing Foggia in the 3 man midfield, but Rossi will never put him there. I do think there is room for him though, as one of the substitutes for the 3 forwards, he would be perfect there. We already saw how good he is in a 3 man forward line at Reggina. If any of the lads are having a bad patch, stick him in the 1st team, im sure he can do a job.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:21 am

Sile wrote:
Hehe fellow laziali suffer from a severe case of "zdenekzemanomania" affraid

4-3-3 tactics all around,no defensive midfielders (say what you will but ledesma is not a dmf),and with these offensive right and left midfielders it looks like a 4-1-5 formation.

Well that might work against Crotone or Cremonese jocolor let's get real for a sec.Any team with a quality midfield would destroy us if we pitch such "hail-mary" tactics.

I said left midfield and right midfield when I should have said left centre and right centre, apologies for this, yes, that 4-1-5 would be suicidal, but I think Rossi will play a 4-3-1-2 like this and have Pandev playing in the hole behind Rocchi and Zarate. Kozak and Makinwa could be used for Rocchi on a regular pace depending on what qualitie Rossi feels he needs there. I think Ledesma is a decent central midfielder, I think Mauri can play left of him and Augusto Fernandez right of him, I don't think Dabo will start, not sure he has the legs anymore, but should we not get Augusto Fernandez, someone will be brought in for that position, Behrami would play there if he stays.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:24 am

For Rossi to play either 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2, the midfield 3 would have to more defensively minded than what people have put. You should be looking at Dabo, Mutarelli and Mudy to slot in there not Fernadez, Foggia, Mauri and Behrami.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:38 am

hmmm...

Mauri, Ledesma and Augusto Fernandez are central midfielders who can not only attack, but defend. I would say Ledesma would play like a holding midfielder and Mauri and Augusto Fernandez would look to press forward.

I'll compare this formation to Milan of a season or two ago. Ledesma would take up a position similar to Gattuso, protecting the defense. Mauri would be like Ambrosini, both defending and attacking, which he can do, he's become more attack minded of late but he can defend too. Augusto Fernandez would be like our Pirlo, creative and looking to press forward.

Pandev would be like Seedorf, looking to link up with the two guys upfront and working his way into shooting positions. Rocchi would be like Kaka, taking opportunities when he can and looking to bring the midfielders into the attack. Zarate would be like Inzaghi or Gilardino, the goalscorer, the finisher of moves. This is how I envisage it. Players such as Firmani, Del Nero, Meghni can easily slot into such a system, even Manfredini. Behrami and Foggia would find their place too if they stay. I wholly believe this is the system Rossi will choose in the end.
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