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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:25 pm

We have only 1 left back in the squad?(if Radu will play in the centre)
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:38 pm

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We have only 1 left back in the squad?(if Radu will play in the centre)

if the left back (Kolarov) injured, Radu will play as a left back... we have many CB available to cover the center.. in other words, we have 2 left back, not 1..so left back position is already solved for now i think..

the question is more on the right back... who's gonna replace De Silvestri if he injured? yeah Siviglia can cover that.. but seriously.. Siviglia?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:43 pm

I hope Behrami will remain,but I don't like him as a RB,cause I think he can help more the team as a midfielder.I think we should sign a backup for Lorenzo.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:30 pm

we are definitely signing another centre midfielder and central defender. a right back will be signed if Zauri goes and a right midfielder will be signed if Behrami goes, that's what I believe.

Domizzi and Pinzi/Augusto Fernandez seems to be the current idea. Behrami's replacement may well be Kazim-Kazim. A right back hasn't been rumoured yet really, but we'll be linked to someone very soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:04 pm

And what about Scaloni? I think he were on loan.. Is he back?? He should be better backup for De Silvestri on the right side than Siviglia...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 8:44 pm

Scaloni is in mallorca,and he can stay there as far as i'm concerned
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:47 pm

According to the post by our moderator:

http://laziofever.bigforumpro.com/transfer-rumours-about-ss-lazio-f5/the-transfer-and-rumors-news-by-the-lf-team-t198.htm#5336

Lotito might take B. Mendy (ex PSG) as De silvestri back up... wow... what a great purchase if we get him... But it would be bad for De Silvestri... he might be sit on the bench if B. Mendy plays better than him someday... well, Lorenzo still young though.. he still has to learn a lot, and B. Mendy can give some of his experiences to him.

If we get Augusto F., B. Mendy and a good CB , I would say that this is a very wonderful mercato... and we are climbing back to the top..
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:59 am

what about this formation, personally i think it could work.

---------------------- Carrizo -------------------

-- De Silvestre -- Cribari/Domizzi -- Radu ---

---------------- Dabo ---- Ledesma ------------

-- Behrami/Foggia --------------- Fernandez--

------------------------ Zarate ------------------

-------------- Pandev ----------- Rocchi --------

Subs:

Muslera (i think he was thrown in at the deep end last season and should stay as a backup)
Siviglia, Diakite, Tuia, Cribari/Domizzi, Rozenhal (I would go with Cribari/Domizzi and Rozenhal)
Mudingayi, Cigarini, Firmani, Meghni, Mauri
Kozak, Makinwa (and maybe another attacker but not as priority)
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:11 am

the formation will more than likely be:



----------------------------Carrizo-------------------------


-----------De Silvestri----Cribari-----Radu---------------


--Fernandez-----Ledesma------Mudingayi-----Kolarov--


-----------------------------Pandev-------------------------


--------------------Rocchi-------------Zarate---------------



if Rossi can secure this squad!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:16 am

I highley doubt we would ever play De Silvestri in a 3 man defence.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:58 am

babyface wrote:
what about this formation, personally i think it could work.

---------------------- Carrizo -------------------

-- De Silvestre -- Cribari/Domizzi -- Radu ---

---------------- Dabo ---- Ledesma ------------

-- Behrami/Foggia --------------- Fernandez--

------------------------ Zarate ------------------

-------------- Pandev ----------- Rocchi --------

Subs:

Muslera (i think he was thrown in at the deep end last season and should stay as a backup)
Siviglia, Diakite, Tuia, Cribari/Domizzi, Rozenhal (I would go with Cribari/Domizzi and Rozenhal)
Mudingayi, Cigarini, Firmani, Meghni, Mauri
Kozak, Makinwa (and maybe another attacker but not as priority)

Yes, this one is not so badly. Only hoping that Foggia stays and Lotito buys Fernandez
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:06 pm

I would be happy if we could have someone else in Cribari's place...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:41 pm

remember that the formation rumoured is 3-4-1-2 and that Fernandez is a right midfielder being eyed up as Behrami's replacement. If Fernandez plays on the right, where does De Silvestri play other than in a 3 man defence? there are a few problems with Rossi using this formation for me. I would rather he went 4-3-1-2, but we'll see.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:43 pm

In a 3-4-1-2 De Silvestri would most probably play on the right side of the 4 man midfield, and Kolarov would ideally take the other side. Fernandez would most probably be on the bench in this scenario, as i feel Rossi would pick Dabo to play next to Ledesma in the centre.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:01 pm

Forza_Lazio4eva wrote:
In a 3-4-1-2 De Silvestri would most probably play on the right side of the 4 man midfield, and Kolarov would ideally take the other side. Fernandez would most probably be on the bench in this scenario, as i feel Rossi would pick Dabo to play next to Ledesma in the centre.

it's a possible scenario, yes, but really, Fernandez is too expensive to buy as bench player.

I think Mudingayi would be preferred over Dabo, but it's a close call.

my problem with formations is whether Kolarov will play regularly or not. I think that's a key factor. do you all think Kolarov will be a starting player next season?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:08 pm

It really all depends on the formation. If we go with 4 at the back, i am pretty sure Radu will take the left back spot. With 3 at the back and 4 ahead, Kolarov would probably take the left hand side of the 4 for his attacking runs and good delivery. It would be too much of a risk if we play 4 at the back and play Kolarov on the left, he still makes too many mistakes defensively for my liking, where as with 3 at the back we could allow him to push up as we would have adequate cover.

Personally i think Rossi prefers Dabo to Mudingayi, and we saw this when Dabo arrived in January, there wasnt much room for Gaby in the starting 11. I havent seen Fernandez play so i cant realy comment, would he be suited in the centre with Ledesma? Only yesterday Carrizo was saying he has similar characteristics to Camoranesi, so im not too sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:30 pm

I think he would be best on the right of a four man midfield and probably suitable for the right side of a 3 man midfield. I think he can play centrally too, like Camoranesi can, but better on the right I think.

I agree with you, Radu is the preferred LB I am sure and Kolarov the preferred LM. If we go for Pinzi, it would be a 3 man midfield of Ledesma, Dabo/Mudingayi and Pinzi. Pinzi fits better in our formation.

I much prefer a 4-3-1-2, Radu on the left, De Silvestri on the right, our 2 centre backs (whoever they'll be) and then the trident upfront. I think we can be almost guaranteed that Rossi wants to play a 3 man forward line and rightly so.

how do you feel about this formation?



----------------------------Carrizo-------------------------


--De Silvestri---Cribari--Rozehnal--Radu---Kolarov---


--------------------Pinzi--------------Ledesma------------


-----------------------------Pandev-------------------------


---------------------Rocchi------------Zarate---------------


I know it looks completely unorthodox, but Pandev could drop back into midfield from time to time while De Silvestri and Kolarov join midfield regularly. Also, Rocchi could play on the right of midfield at times, Kolarov could go into left midfield, Radu would then switch to left back creating a 4 man defence and Pandev could push forward and play in behind Zarate in a 4-4-2 formation.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:47 pm

With the players we have at the moment and Rossi choosing to play 3-4-3 this is what I think is how it wouldlook like.
But I would prefer to play 4-3-3 .. the attacking section is our stronger part of the team .. midfield and defence isn't that
strong even if we have a lot of players in sections .. so we are more or less forced to play with a 3-man attack in one way or another.

Probable 3-4-3

-------------------------Carrizo-------------------
--------- Rozenhal ---- Cribari ----- Radu ------
De Silvestri-----Ledesma------Dabo-----Kolarov
---------------------------Pandev-------------------
------------------Rocchi-------------Zarate--------

My prefered 4-3-3

-------------------- Carizzo ------------------
De Silvestri -- Rozenhal -- Radu -- Kolarov
----- Muta/Mudy -- Ledesma -- Dabo ------
Foggia/Zarate ----------------Pandev/Foggia
-------------Rocchi/Pandev/Zarate-----------

And while Rocchi is at the olympics maybe we should try a this!?

------------------ Carizzo ---------------
---- Rozenhal -- Cribari -- Radu ------
De Silvestri -------------------- Kolarov
--------- Ledesma -------- Dabo -------
------------------- Foggia ---------------
---------- Pandev ------- Zarate -------

But in the end it all depends on what players we sign (Pinzi/Domizzi/Fernandez) and who are leaving (Foggia??)
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:04 pm

well, yes, if we keep Behrami, Stendardo and Foggia then I think our formation will be completely different, if we keep Stendardo, it's a 4-3-3, straight away.

The formation I suggested allows for some flexibility. It creates the posibility of making Pandev freer and more creative. I talso allows us to easily switch between a 3-4-1-2 and a 4-4-2, depending on the opposition. It also enables Rocchi to play in his old right midfield position if we want to be more defence minded, which may not be a bad option as Rocchi is getting older. The formation I suggested allows for many specific circumstances.

The problem is, if Stendardo, Behrami and Foggia stay, it will have to be a 4-4-2 formation, which can only cause us problems as who do we leave out upfront?

definite starters for me are (including only those who are here next season):

Carrizo
De Silvestri
Ledesma
Pandev
Rocchi
Zarate

the other 5 places are up for grabs and I can only imagine that Rossi will decide on the other 5 once the mercato is over for us and pre-season is complete.

good suggestions though ClockworkOrange.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:22 pm

I might add Rozenhal and Radu to that list .. in my eyes they are definite starters .. that leaves us with one place in defence (CB/LB) up for grabs .. and that's ok

The problem is that the only definite starter in midfield is Ledesma .. it's acctualy kind of worrying .. the midfield is often the key to controling a game soo .. getting Pinzi would be the solution in my eyes

And one more thing that might be a problem .. in a traditional 3 man attack you usually have a strong "number 9" a Bianchi type .. Pandev/Rocchi/Zarate/Foggia is all quick and technical players but none of them are that big physical forward you sometimes need .. I mean how many headers will they score .. but maybe we will focus on a counterattack-style and then speed and skill with the feet is more important
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:38 pm

you see, if we kept Stendardo and went 4 at the back then the defence picks itself:

LB Radu
CB Rozehnal
CB Stendardo
RB De Silvestri

this would be a good defence, but if we lose Stendardo, we really need a quality defender like Domizzi, who would just automatically slot in his place.

Foggia is surely leaving. I can't see him fitting into any 4-3-3 because he will never be picked ahead of Pandev, Zarate or Rocchi. If he were to play, I'd put him on the left, I'd keep Behrami, play him on the right and have Ledesma in the centre and then bring in another CM. If Rossi doesn't bring in a new CM, he needs to commit and pick a player and continuously play him so that player establishes a partnership with Ledesma.

then your problem is which 2 out of Pandev, Zarate and Rocchi? that's why I can't see Foggia staying, unless he's willing to play bench.

we all need to think about Rocchi too. as much as we love him, he is getting oler, he will lose some pace and Pandev and Zarate will soon surpass his level you would think. so we need to be careful that we don't play if he is not good enough at any stage.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:56 pm

Well I don't have as much faith in stendardo as you clearly .. I think he's more or less overrated .. often out of position which means he has to make dangerous challenges to recover .. sometimes plays with more heart than brain which means he gets a lot of unneccesary cards (like Mutarelli)

But I admit that the pairing Rozenhal-Stendardo is clearly a better option than Rozenhal-Cribari .. neither Rozenhal nor Cribari is quick so them together would be frustrating to watch against a team that keeps tha ball on the ground and attacks with speed .. but the pairing Rozenhal-Radu is the prefered choice unless domizzi is signed

To bad Rossi har more faith in Manfredini than Foggia .. soo Foggia will probably go away
I think Dabo is the only choice .. he is better than both Mudy & Muta .. he had an good partnership with Liverani and should be a good complement to Ledesma .. which we saw in some games this season

I my eyes Zarate will take Rocchis place in the long run .. but until Rocchi steps aside Zarate is to good (and expensive) to be put on the bench .. it's a kind of a problem that forces Rossi to play a 3 man attack most of the time .. because as long as Rocchi is healthy he will play .. our new captain if Zauri leaves and as close as we get to having a bandiera in the team (in competition with Firmani/De Silvestri)
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:46 am

Personally I would like to see a 4-3-3. It worked so well last season and that is something we could look to continue building on.

Our delayed Peruzzi replacement in goal.

Flanked by De Silvestri and Radu, accompanied by Rozhenal and Domizzi (hopefully).

Ledesma leading the midfield with Dabo and hopefully Fernandez or Pinzi.

The quite obvious trio of Pandev, Rocchi and Zarate in attack.

Despite all that, there is an option to the 4-4-2 and 3-4-1-2 as well. It all depends on Rossi.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:57 am

Darran wrote:
Personally I would like to see a 4-3-3. It worked so well last season and that is something we could look to continue building on.

Our delayed Peruzzi replacement in goal.

Flanked by De Silvestri and Radu, accompanied by Rozhenal and Domizzi (hopefully).

Ledesma leading the midfield with Dabo and hopefully Fernandez or Pinzi.

The quite obvious trio of Pandev, Rocchi and Zarate in attack.

Despite all that, there is an option to the 4-4-2 and 3-4-1-2 as well. It all depends on Rossi.
I agree with this but I would rather want to see a PINZI-LEDESMA-FERNANDEZ if someone of these two can play on left wing. If Foggia stay, a mid with Foggia, Ledesma and Fernandez would be awesome!!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:39 am

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Darran wrote:
Personally I would like to see a 4-3-3. It worked so well last season and that is something we could look to continue building on.

Our delayed Peruzzi replacement in goal.

Flanked by De Silvestri and Radu, accompanied by Rozhenal and Domizzi (hopefully).

Ledesma leading the midfield with Dabo and hopefully Fernandez or Pinzi.

The quite obvious trio of Pandev, Rocchi and Zarate in attack.

Despite all that, there is an option to the 4-4-2 and 3-4-1-2 as well. It all depends on Rossi.
I agree with this but I would rather want to see a PINZI-LEDESMA-FERNANDEZ if someone of these two can play on left wing. If Foggia stay, a mid with Foggia, Ledesma and Fernandez would be awesome!!

The only reason why I slotted Dabo in was so that he could take the pressure off Ledesma. If we had Foggia and Fernandez with Ledesma, our game which is solely based on Cristian would suffer tremendously. Furthermore our midfield would be easy pickings. Foggia and Fernandez aren't exactly the kind of players who would go in with crunching tackles like Dabo and Mudingayi
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