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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:15 pm

I always like this topics, for me personally, I'd go for 4-2-3-1 formation, we got too many midfielders to start with, so starting with 2 defensive midfielders and 3 attacking midfielders would give us balance both defending and attacking..

Carizzo should be our GK, we've waited for this for almost 1 1/2 years now..

The back 4, Radu - Mr.X - Mr.X - De Silvestri

I couldn't make up my mind about our CB, Cribari cost us too many mistakes last season, Siviglia isn't getting any younger, Rozehnal only played couple games with us, Stendardo, who??

2 def midfielders: Dabo - Ledesma

3 Attacking Midfielders/forward: Pandev - Mauri - Zarate
Pandev and Zarate could switch flank if required, and I hope Mauri could re-gain his form, that would be awesome

Striker: Tommaso Rocchi

I am not worried about us going forward, there's no doubt, Rocchi-Pandev can do their job scoring goals, I am worried about us defending, and as far as the transfer market goes, we're not buying any defenders, CB affraid
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:21 pm

it's either 3-4-1-2 or 4-3-3 or for next season.

3 at the back is too risky, especially when you know it will be Radu, Rozehnal, Cribari. it also means we have to play Kolarov or Mauri on the left and if Rossi gets rid of Foggia like he hopes to do, that formation will get us killed in games. the other problem is the RM position with De Silvestri fighting with Fernandez/Pinzi. no, it doesn't make sense for Rossi to play this, unless he believes Ledesma and dabo can protect the back 3 sufficiently.

A 4-3-3 makes more sense, especially if we get Pinzi. This way, Foggia isn't necessary, Pandev plays down the middle with Zarate and Rocchi either side and the midfield would be Ledesma, Dabo/Mudingayi, Pinzi (with Mauri, Meghni etc. as back ups).

it also means Manfredini will only play if we ever decide to go with 4 in the middle.

the back 4 would then be Radu, Rozehnal, Cribari, De Silvestri.

A 4-3-3 looks like the best option, by a mile.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:16 am

4-3-3
Carrizo
De silvestri,Rozenhal,Radu,Kolarov
Dabo,Ledesma,Mauri(Foggia)
Pandev,Zarate,Rocchi
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:45 am

I'd like to see a 4-4-2, but I'm not sure we have the presence on the wings of our midfield to do that anymore. I do miss Stefano Fiore. But I agree with a 4-3-3 much the way Milan plays. I like the idea of relieving Ledesma's defensive duties by putting Mudingayi or Dabo next to him in the midfield. But, I'm afraid that this still puts too much responsibility on Ledesma. One of the reasons Milan is able to play with Gattuso, Pirlo and Ambrosini in their midfield is because Pirlo is simply a world class distributor. What is that with Ledesma the sole distributor in the midfield with three forwards ahead of him is that it will be far to easy to revert to the long ball. I'm afraid once the ball moves up to the three forwards they have very little support to drop the ball back to, and simply must penetrate the defense or give up possession.

With a 4-2-3-1, I see us having the problem of playing Pandev too wide to effective unless we play him as a trequartista behind Rocchi. Foggia could play one of the flanks, but I'm not sure about Zarate (that is, I haven't seen him play enough to know if he would be effective as a winger). Even then, another forsee able problem is not having subs for those wingers. I'm not sure Mauri is fast enough to be effective out that wide and Manfredini is just hit or miss as it is. But if we were to play Ledesma in the middle with Dabo or Mudingayi, I think we must have another link between them and the forwards, which is where I think the 4-2-3-1 would be an effective formation.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:51 pm

Caxi wrote:
it's either 3-4-1-2 or 4-3-3 or for next season.

3 at the back is too risky, especially when you know it will be Radu, Rozehnal, Cribari. it also means we have to play Kolarov or Mauri on the left and if Rossi gets rid of Foggia like he hopes to do, that formation will get us killed in games. the other problem is the RM position with De Silvestri fighting with Fernandez/Pinzi. no, it doesn't make sense for Rossi to play this, unless he believes Ledesma and dabo can protect the back 3 sufficiently.

A 4-3-3 makes more sense, especially if we get Pinzi. This way, Foggia isn't necessary, Pandev plays down the middle with Zarate and Rocchi either side and the midfield would be Ledesma, Dabo/Mudingayi, Pinzi (with Mauri, Meghni etc. as back ups).

it also means Manfredini will only play if we ever decide to go with 4 in the middle.

the back 4 would then be Radu, Rozehnal, Cribari, De Silvestri.

A 4-3-3 looks like the best option, by a mile.


I couldn't agree more with Caxi on this one...4-3-3 will compliment the way we counter..We are a great counter attacking team..

Carizzo..great that we have a keeper that is fresh, young and talented..

We need Radu,Silvestri and Rozehnal and kolarov in defence...I think also Siviglia although getting older is going to be needed at times as i am just not sure about Rozehnal.....

We need Kolarov in this team..He is an absolute asset to this club..His shooting aswell as Dabo can give opposing teams nightmares...Kolarov can only develop

Secondly, if we are going to adopt this structure I wish we could get a quick player in the middle like Fernandez on the right! Dabo is central,foggia can take the left..Please play this guy!!!!! He has talent!! We need to take less pressure off ledesma in this formation..Mudy or Dabo next to him is good...But we need more creativity from Foggia or Fernandez "if he comes"...Ledesma cannot be the sole distributor in the team...He is noted by clubs when we play them and they take him out of the game..Our midfield needs more structure..

Pandev,Rocchi and Zarate is a no brainer up front...These 3 are going to cause trouble for any team..

My question is, someone like Mauri...Used as the trequartista with Pandev and Rocchi...Now Zarate is here...What do we do with Mauri? Is he good enough,durable or fit enough to last on the left wing instead of Foggia? Is he ask threatening as Foggia?

I think we have some tough choices in defence and midfield...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:56 pm

According to PDL, Rossi trained with 3-4-3 and 3-4-2-1, that would possibly be our formation next season.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:17 pm

Darran wrote:
According to PDL, Rossi trained with 3-4-3 and 3-4-2-1, that would possibly be our formation next season.

Yes the most likely formation we will see is 3-4-3.

The 3 centre backs are Rozehnal - Cribari - Radu.

The midfield is De Silvestri - Ledesma - Dabo - Kolarov (I like this idea as De Silvestri and Kolarov are good offensive players but will drop back when we don't have possession.

The forward line is Pandev - Rocchi - Zarate.

This is the recipe for success!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:25 pm

Giolazio wrote:
Darran wrote:
According to PDL, Rossi trained with 3-4-3 and 3-4-2-1, that would possibly be our formation next season.

Yes the most likely formation we will see is 3-4-3.

The 3 centre backs are Rozehnal - Cribari - Radu.

The midfield is De Silvestri - Ledesma - Dabo - Kolarov (I like this idea as De Silvestri and Kolarov are good offensive players but will drop back when we don't have possession.

The forward line is Pandev - Rocchi - Zarate.

This is the recipe for success!

Provided we believe in the 3 centrebacks to be rock solid then I agree with this formation...

3 Decently tall defenders...decent markers..

Midfield is a mixture of pace, skill and protection...

Forward line is very impressive..

I hope that this defensive line is solid and isnt prone to being exposed...

Giolazio : Any room for Mudy and Foggia?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:42 pm

I'm honestly not a fan of the current central defenders we have... think he still need one more of good quality (domizzi)

right now it depends on Cribari playing as well as he did in 06-07 and Rozehnal stepping up, there's a reason Newcastle let Rozehnal go, and there's a reason he wasnt a regular with us last season..

Siviglia is 35, doesnt have the pace to keep up with the quicker forwards, which sees him get caught out a lot as well as committing unnecessary fouls.

ps. balboa, good to see more laziali from australia..

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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:16 pm

c. testa wrote:
I'm honestly not a fan of the current central defenders we have... think he still need one more of good quality (domizzi)

right now it depends on Cribari playing as well as he did in 06-07 and Rozehnal stepping up, there's a reason Newcastle let Rozehnal go, and there's a reason he wasnt a regular with us last season..

Siviglia is 35, doesnt have the pace to keep up with the quicker forwards, which sees him get caught out a lot as well as committing unnecessary fouls.

ps. balboa, good to see more laziali from australia..

I agree about Rozehnal...This guy seems to have let his career slip abit and slipped again when Newcastle didn't accept him! And lets face it Newcastle have a terrible defence..I knew him as a tall, goalscoring defender that was playing regularly for Czech Rep side and winning accolades..I saw him in the Euro..He wasn't bad...but wasn't great either..

Siviglia needs to be replaced...And Cribari I think is quite handy..He needs better support but he should start for us..We need header specialists...Domizzi would be a great signing I agree with you there...Even Dainelli...I mean hasn't been in great form at all..But I think he could possibly return to better form...We need reinforcements in central defence...


Thank you c.testa! Growing up everyone went for Juve and Milan...I was always the only one who went for Lazio when I was a little kid..And I am proud of it...It is hard in Australia because we are so far away from it all..But I watch every game that is aired..Rai or Espn or Setanta..And buy the tracksuit and jersey every year! Great to talk to all of you here because to be honest I can't talk about Lazio to anyone else!!! And I don't want to talk to Juve or Milan supporters!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:27 pm

[quote="Giolazio"]
Darran wrote:
According to PDL, Rossi trained with 3-4-3 and 3-4-2-1, that would possibly be our formation next season.

Yes the most likely formation we will see is 3-4-3.

The 3 centre backs are Rozehnal - Cribari - Radu.

The midfield is De Silvestri - Ledesma - Dabo - Kolarov (I like this idea as De Silvestri and Kolarov are good offensive players but will drop back when we don't have possession.

The forward line is Pandev - Rocchi - Zarate.

This is the recipe for success![/quote]



the idea may seem fine, but I disagree.

it may work if we have a three man midfield, but to drop De Silvestri and Kolarov back and leave 2 men in midfield would be suicidal.

think about it logically, if we play a side with fast, attacking wingers, they will automatically force De Silvestri and Kolarov back because there are no left or right backs to attack. that will then leave us relying on Ledesma and Dabo to overpower the players in the opposition's midfield and these 2 guys don't have the attributes to do this. a side that can keep possession would just tear us apart with this formation.

the only way it would work is if our "trequartista" could also drop back into midfield and press the opposition's midfielders. Mauri could do this, but he won't be our trequartista next season.

a 4-3-3 is definitely the best option, it's just Rossi doesn't want to choose 4 men out of De Silvestri, Cribari, Rozehnal, Radu and Kolarov. He sees them all as starters, but for me, at least one player will always be injured and we would be lucky to even have 4 players to select from. I think Radu, Rozehnal and Cribari can easily play in a back 3, but I don't know if they're good enough to play in a back 3 in Serie A. we'll have to wait and see.

apologies for the loss of quote marks!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:40 pm

I hope that Rossi will decide for 3-2-2-2-1
I would like me this formation:


CARRIZO

DIAKITE'-ROZEHNAL-RADU

DE SILVESTRI KOLAROV

LEDESMA-(new midfilelder)

PANDEV ZARATE

ROCCHI
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:47 pm

I dont know about this 3-4-3 formation, it seems day after day that rossi is goona use this formation,

I would prefer 4 defenders in a 4-3-2-1 formation

---------------------------Carrizzo


-----------selvistri --- Rozenhal -- Cribari -- Radu


----------------------------Dabo


---------------- Ledesma------------- ??(missing CM) ??




------------------- Pandev ------------ Zarate

------------------------------Rochi
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:27 pm

rockybalboa83 wrote:

Thank you c.testa! Growing up everyone went for Juve and Milan...I was always the only one who went for Lazio when I was a little kid..And I am proud of it...It is hard in Australia because we are so far away from it all..But I watch every game that is aired..Rai or Espn or Setanta..And buy the tracksuit and jersey every year! Great to talk to all of you here because to be honest I can't talk about Lazio to anyone else!!! And I don't want to talk to Juve or Milan supporters!!!

couldn't have said it better myself!! although my family were all lazio fans from the old days, so wasnt much of a choice for me.
we're far away from it all, yea, but at least we get coverage, i know people that support serie b/c sides that have to stream radio over the net, so we have it better.
but yeh, just good that there are laziali round the place.. napoli have a massive fanbase in australia and over is the states, never liked those pricks so its good to match them.

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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:44 am

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I dont know about this 3-4-3 formation, it seems day after day that rossi is goona use this formation,

I would prefer 4 defenders in a 4-3-2-1 formation

---------------------------Carrizzo


-----------selvistri --- Rozenhal -- Cribari -- Radu


----------------------------Dabo


---------------- Ledesma------------- ??(missing CM) ??




------------------- Pandev ------------ Zarate

------------------------------Rochi

I agree with you on this one, although in not so sure about Cribari after his last season, but since it doesnt look like we are after a new DC we should let who plays best of Cribari and Radu be next to Rozenhal. I hope Foggia get to play next to Ledesma, we would need to spend alot of our money to get a player that is equal to him so I hope he get his chance this year. Our attackers is just perfect, nothing to do there :)
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:16 am

I have never understood the beauty of playing with only three defenders. I think in modern football you have to play with four defenders, but then have RB and LBs who are strong offensively as well. I am sure that the starting positioning 433 is to be preferred to 343, and that is due to the fact that 343 becomes very weak in offence if the two wingers of the midfield are not constantly running up and down like crazy. With a 433 you can always have the two more defensive midfielders helping out if the LB or the RB is to tired to do so. in 343 you are left with nothing the two of the midfielders have fallen back to far - there will be no players there to fill the gap.

With the team we have right now, I would go for

-------------Carrizo

De Silvestri --- Cribari --- Rozehnal --- Radu

-----Mudingayi ----- Ledesma ----- Dabo

------------------------Foggia

------------Pandev ------------- Rocchi

With time I can see Zarate moving in on Pandevs position and then Pandev playing on Foggias position. Or else, there could be a flip at the top leaving us with:

------------Pandev --------------- Zarate

----------------------Rocchi

instead of 1-2 that would be 2-1 at the top...

Everything depends on what Rossi plans to do with Foggia (I really see loads of potential in this guy and i think he can become a massive force for us...) and what system he prefers. All I hope is that he will not play with only three defenders because that is too much of a risk...Depending on if we get any more players, and what the team will actually consist of by the end og August, we can be more sure on how the team should (and will) look when the games kick-off again....
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:22 am

rockybalboa83 wrote:
Giolazio wrote:
Darran wrote:
According to PDL, Rossi trained with 3-4-3 and 3-4-2-1, that would possibly be our formation next season.

Yes the most likely formation we will see is 3-4-3.

The 3 centre backs are Rozehnal - Cribari - Radu.

The midfield is De Silvestri - Ledesma - Dabo - Kolarov (I like this idea as De Silvestri and Kolarov are good offensive players but will drop back when we don't have possession.

The forward line is Pandev - Rocchi - Zarate.

This is the recipe for success!

Provided we believe in the 3 centrebacks to be rock solid then I agree with this formation...

3 Decently tall defenders...decent markers..

Midfield is a mixture of pace, skill and protection...

Forward line is very impressive..

I hope that this defensive line is solid and isnt prone to being exposed...

Giolazio : Any room for Mudy and Foggia?

I'm sure either of them could replace any of the attackers, just sit further back into a trequartista role.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:58 am

LofL wrote:
AbedElkader wrote:
I dont know about this 3-4-3 formation, it seems day after day that rossi is goona use this formation,

I would prefer 4 defenders in a 4-3-2-1 formation

---------------------------Carrizzo


-----------selvistri --- Rozenhal -- Cribari -- Radu


----------------------------Dabo


---------------- Ledesma------------- ??(missing CM) ??




------------------- Pandev ------------ Zarate

------------------------------Rochi

I agree with you on this one, although in not so sure about Cribari after his last season, but since it doesnt look like we are after a new DC we should let who plays best of Cribari and Radu be next to Rozenhal. I hope Foggia get to play next to Ledesma, we would need to spend alot of our money to get a player that is equal to him so I hope he get his chance this year. Our attackers is just perfect, nothing to do there :)




i think we got our missig CM with the possible arrival of matuzalem,


But i dunno it sems day after day that Rossi is gone use 3 at back


With position 3-5-2

without position 5-3-2

i dunno seems a bit shacky
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:30 am

AbedElkader wrote:
LofL wrote:
AbedElkader wrote:
I dont know about this 3-4-3 formation, it seems day after day that rossi is goona use this formation,

I would prefer 4 defenders in a 4-3-2-1 formation

---------------------------Carrizzo


-----------selvistri --- Rozenhal -- Cribari -- Radu


----------------------------Dabo


---------------- Ledesma------------- ??(missing CM) ??




------------------- Pandev ------------ Zarate

------------------------------Rochi

I agree with you on this one, although in not so sure about Cribari after his last season, but since it doesnt look like we are after a new DC we should let who plays best of Cribari and Radu be next to Rozenhal. I hope Foggia get to play next to Ledesma, we would need to spend alot of our money to get a player that is equal to him so I hope he get his chance this year. Our attackers is just perfect, nothing to do there :)




i think we got our missig CM with the possible arrival of matuzalem,


But i dunno it sems day after day that Rossi is gone use 3 at back


With position 3-5-2

without position 5-3-2

i dunno seems a bit shacky

agree with all this, although I think it will be a 3-4-1-2 in the end, which would be silly. attacking sides would destroy us!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:59 am

I think we suit the 3-4-3 well, if we were to use 4-3-1-2, Foggia would not fit in, and that wasn't the reason why Rossi decided to keep him. Above that, the 4-3-1-2 would continue the over-reliance on Ledesma, if he plays bad we play bad. On the other hand, the 3-4-3 focuses alot on the wing play of Kolarov and De Silvestri, with the trio of Pandev, Rocchi and Zarate doing lots of damage especially since Pandev and Zarate are players who can start our attack.

3 central defenders: Rozhenal/Tuia Cribari/Siviglia and Radu/Diakhite

4 midfielders: De Silvestri/Lichsteiner Dabo/Mudingayi/Firmani Ledesma/Matuzalem Kolarov/Foggia

3 strikers: Rocchi/Makinwa Pandev Zarate/Kozak, lets not also forget we have Mauri and Meghni who can slot into the line up to make it a 3-4-2-1 but not 3-4-1-2.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:16 am

i think we cant resist with 3 defender, i think 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is better for us, of cours we must w8 & see what lottito do in transfer continue, i think we need LB & CM yet

---------------------------Carrizzo


-----------selvistri --- Rozenhal -- Cribari -- Radu


---------------------Ledesma-----Dabo---------------


-------------Foggia-------Pandev-------Zarate---

---------------------------Rocchi-------------------
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:07 pm

Javier erfi Lopez wrote:
i think we cant resist with 3 defender, i think 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 is better for us, of cours we must w8 & see what lottito do in transfer continue, i think we need LB & CM yet

---------------------------Carrizzo


-----------selvistri --- Rozenhal -- Cribari -- Radu


---------------------Ledesma-----Dabo---------------


-------------Foggia-------Pandev-------Zarate---

---------------------------Rocchi-------------------

LB...Kolarov mate
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:18 pm

Javier erfi Lopez wrote:

LB...Kolarov mate

And in which position should Radu be used?I prefer him as a LB,and I wish we could sign another Cb with Serie A experience...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:39 pm

That formation looks lethal. I'll go try it out on PES 2008 Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:47 pm

Looking at the first friendly, it seems as Rossi tested 352...regarding the players on the field it seems so...what do you feel about that?

"Lazio (primo tempo): Carrizo, Siviglia, Rozehnal, Cribari, Belleri, Dabo, Ledesma, Meghni, Kolarov, Meghni, Pandev, Zarate. All. Rossi

Lazio (secondo tempo): Muslera, Diakite, Tuia, Radu, Faraoni, Mudingayi, Firmani, Cinelli (Mendicino), Manfredini, Foggia, Makinwa. All. Rossi"

I think it looks interesting, but still I dislike 3 at the back but with 5 midfielders the midfield has enough players to cover both off and def...
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