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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:57 pm

Well the idea of 5-3-2/3-5-2/3-4-3 is quite interesting and logical since we have quick but rather small attackers .. I guess we will be focusing on playing an solid defensive game focusing on a quick counterattack game in attack

------------------------------- Carizzo/Muslera ------------------------------

----------------Cribari/Siviglia -- Rozenhal/Tuia -- Radu/Faraoni ----

De Silvestri/Lichtsteiner --------------------------- Kolarov/manfredini???

-----------------Dabo/Firmani ------ Ledesma/Matuzalem ----------------

-------------------------- Foggia/Meghni/Mauri ------------------------------

----------------Rocchi/Makinwa ---- Pandev/Zarate -----------------------


One problem I see is how we are going to rotate the squad .. I think Foggia should play regularly .. but so should Pandev, Rocchi, Zarate .. and now it seems that we have signed Matuzalem .. should we chosse between him and Ledesma or play them both at the same time? .. at least now we seem to have better competition for all positions except for left wingback .. or is Radu to be considered a back up at that position? .. and if we are going to play with 3 central defenders we might need better competition for those places or are Tuia/Faraoni ready to step up? .. but anyway it's obviously pleasant problems compared to last season
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:00 pm

Don't think Manfredini will play there..

I dont want him to play at all but if he does it wont be out wide on the left, I'd say if we need someone out there Radu will step into that role.

Don't forget Pandev is also capable of playing as the trequartista behind the 2 forwards.

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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:22 pm

ClockworkOrange wrote:
I guess we will be focusing on playing an solid defensive game focusing on a quick counterattack game in attack

Yeas , I reckon the same. We will be looking to take out an double insurance in defence, with strong discipline and mutual aid.With fast and merciless counterattack we should perform well. With Matuzalems arriving Rossi now has more possibilities, I should say. The big question for me is how will be arranged the midfield and defence. In attacking plan I think everything is possible and plausible.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:24 pm

If we mean to field Rocchi, Pandev and Zarate from the start all the time then I would say we don't have enough striking options on the bench. Despite the size of our squad, the problem remains that there is a distinct lack of quality subs/reserves.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:28 pm

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If we mean to field Rocchi, Pandev and Zarate from the start all the time then I would say we don't have enough striking options on the bench. Despite the size of our squad, the problem remains that there is a distinct lack of quality subs/reserves.

I agree..I dont think that Makinwa is good enough, and Kozak is very young...also, I am not sure that Makinwa will actually stay, and if he is to be used as the fourth option, he will most probably leave for another club...It all depends on what system Rossi will go for...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:29 pm

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Javier erfi Lopez wrote:

LB...Kolarov mate
And in which position should Radu be used?I prefer him as a LB,and I wish we could sign another Cb with Serie A experience...

yes i think so that kolarov is better in LM than LB, any way it`s first time after some years that it`s really hard to make a absolut squad
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:59 pm

things are starting to take shape now...

seems pretty clear now that we will use a back 3: Radu, Rozehnal, Cribari. we have Diakite/Tuia and others to provide cover

midfield positions now look very interesting: if Matuzalem is here, our midfield will look like this:

LM: Kolarov/Matuzalem/Foggia/Manfredini
CM: Ledesma/Dabo/Matuzalem/Firmani/Mutarelli
RM: De Silvestri/Lichtsteiner/Belleri/Manfredini/Foggia

our trequartista would be: Pandev/Foggia/Mauri

strikers: Rocchi/Zarate/Pandev/Foggia/Kozak/Makinwa

as you can see, more than enough depth. if we bring in Fernandez now, we have 6 players capable of playing right midfield...this is too much.

this should be our team and the likes of Zauri and Belleri could still depart us.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:07 pm

Hello lazio brothers, I┤m new here on the site!
My name is Gustav Engberg and I'm from Sweden... been a Laziale now for quite many years


I think its too defensive to play with both Kolarov and De Silvestri on the flanks.

This is my starting 11:

-----------Carrizo-----------
De Silvestri Rozenhal Radu
-------------------------------
------Dabo---Ledesma------
Foggia----------------Kolarov
-------------Pandev----------
---------Rocchi--ZaratÚ------


Perhaps this is too offensive with Lollo with just 3 defenders, but then both Dabo and Ledesma works really hard and stays home quite often!

Kolarov and Lollo will just learn more and more as time goes so they will get better in the deffens

We must have our amazing 3 upfront, and would love to see Foggia in a free role on the flank! will be some nice games with this team =)

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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Sat Jul 26, 2008 12:28 am

1.a) 4-2-3-1 (something like Duch national team. with Pandev, Matuzalem and Zarate to have very free role and they can change the places)

..........................Carrizo.....................

................Rozenhal......Radu................
.Silvestri..................................Kolarov.
................Dabo............Ledesma..........

........................Matuzalem....................
.....Pandev...............................Zarate...
...........................Rocchi.......................

1.b) 4-2-3-1

.........................Muslera........................

................Siviglia.........Cribari...............
.Lichtsteiner...........................Manfredini.
...............Firmani...........Mutarelli...........

..........................Meghni........................
...Foggia.....................................Mauri...
.........................Makinwa.......................
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:35 am

Im not a big fan of the current 3-5-3 formation, mainly cause we dont have 3 central defenders that is good enough. I must admit I dont know this formation so well, does any other big european clubs use this formation and is it successfull?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:40 am

3-5-2 is all over the MLS, if that gives you an idea...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:46 am

and a lot of their games end up 6-4 and stuff...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:51 am

Thats the standard of the football rather than the formation
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:59 am

I'd say the irish league is of a similar standard to MLS and if I ever saw MLS scorelines in the Irish league, I would collapse in shock.

Actually, I think we would be the only major club in the world to use 3 at the back if we did it.

Revolutionaries or laughing stocks?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:44 am

Well the standards may be similiar but they way its taught through the grass roots is very different, its clear when you read Roy Keanes book and how football in the 2 countries is presented and talked about.

As for 3 at the back, im not so sure, being english Im very used to 4 at the back at minimum, and would like for me to have a 4 man defensive line
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:54 pm

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Actually, I think we would be the only major club in the world to use 3 at the back if we did it.

Revolutionaries or laughing stocks?

Been thinking for a while...cant come up with any team playing 3 in the back regularly...anyone?
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:55 am

Caxi wrote:
and a lot of their games end up 6-4 and stuff...
can't say they're usually high scoring affairs, the finishing isn't good enough.

anyways, i don't think anyone plays three in the back in any respectable league. it just leaves you too exposed and frankly gives those three far too much to handle.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:39 am

Cash wrote:
Caxi wrote:


Actually, I think we would be the only major club in the world to use 3 at the back if we did it.

Revolutionaries or laughing stocks?

Been thinking for a while...cant come up with any team playing 3 in the back regularly...anyone?
Udinese sometimes last season and Sampdoria i think...and Macedonian national team (3-4-1-2) Twisted Evil and Argentina was playing sometimes...

I dont like this Rossi idea with 3 or 5 in difence...maby is good in Serie B Twisted Evil ... top teams now play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 ...or like ouer last tactik 4-3-1-2
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:24 am

zoran wrote:
Cash wrote:
Caxi wrote:


Actually, I think we would be the only major club in the world to use 3 at the back if we did it.

Revolutionaries or laughing stocks?

Been thinking for a while...cant come up with any team playing 3 in the back regularly...anyone?
Udinese sometimes last season and Sampdoria i think...and Macedonian national team (3-4-1-2) Twisted Evil and Argentina was playing sometimes...

I dont like this Rossi idea with 3 or 5 in difence...maby is good in Serie B Twisted Evil ... top teams now play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 ...or like ouer last tactik 4-3-1-2

Well, some teames switch to 3 defenders every now and then to balance the game they are playing, I was more concerned about a team that actually carries it out as standard selection. Argentina is right, they used to play with 3 strong defenders, but I think even they changed into 4 now. I follow the Persian league, and there the winners of last season (Esteghlal, or Taj as it was called before the revolution of 79) play with 3 defenders...but the Persian league is not really a strong league compared to European leagues...
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:01 pm

zoran wrote:
Cash wrote:
Caxi wrote:


Actually, I think we would be the only major club in the world to use 3 at the back if we did it.

Revolutionaries or laughing stocks?

Been thinking for a while...cant come up with any team playing 3 in the back regularly...anyone?
Udinese sometimes last season and Sampdoria i think...and Macedonian national team (3-4-1-2) Twisted Evil and Argentina was playing sometimes...

I dont like this Rossi idea with 3 or 5 in difence...maby is good in Serie B Twisted Evil ... top teams now play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 ...or like ouer last tactik 4-3-1-2

I've seen Argentina and Macedonia do it, but when they do it, they pack out the midfield with 5 or 6 midfielders, which is great to counter with but we would be playing more 3-4-3 which 15 years ago was great, nowadays, pure suicide.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:45 pm

I think 4-2-3-1 would be very suitable to the players we have, something like this:

------------------------------------------------Carrizo(GK)

------De Silvestri (RB)--Rozenhal/Siviglia (CB)--Cribari/Radu (CB)--Kolarov/Motti (LB)

-------------------------Dabo/Matuzalem (DM)------Ledesma/Pinzi (CM)

Foggia/Fernandez (RAM)--------------------------------------------------------Mauri/Manferdini (LAM)

-------------------------------------------------Pandev/Zarate (CF)

-------------------------------------Rocchi/Makinwa (ST)

this is a balanced formation with most of our best players playing in their favorite position. If we get Motti, Pinzi, and Fernandez they could replace Kolarov, Ledesma and Foggia
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:03 pm

zaak wrote:
I think 4-2-3-1 would be very suitable to the players we have, something like this:

------------------------------------------------Carrizo(GK)

------De Silvestri (RB)--Rozenhal/Siviglia (CB)--Cribari/Radu (CB)--Kolarov/Motti (LB)

-------------------------Dabo/Matuzalem (DM)------Ledesma/Pinzi (CM)

Foggia/Fernandez (RAM)--------------------------------------------------------Mauri/Manferdini (LAM)

-------------------------------------------------Pandev/Zarate (CF)

-------------------------------------Rocchi/Makinwa (ST)

this is a balanced formation with most of our best players playing in their favorite position. If we get Motti, Pinzi, and Fernandez they could replace Kolarov, Ledesma and Foggia

Mauri,Manfredini?Are you serious?And if "Motti" means Moti,he's a CB not a left one.And my opinion is that none from the Pandev,Rocchi,Zarate trio can't stay on the bench,cause they must play tohether.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:21 pm

LaziOttimo wrote:
zaak wrote:
I think 4-2-3-1 would be very suitable to the players we have, something like this:

------------------------------------------------Carrizo(GK)

------De Silvestri (RB)--Rozenhal/Siviglia (CB)--Cribari/Radu (CB)--Kolarov/Motti (LB)

-------------------------Dabo/Matuzalem (DM)------Ledesma/Pinzi (CM)

Foggia/Fernandez (RAM)--------------------------------------------------------Mauri/Manferdini (LAM)

-------------------------------------------------Pandev/Zarate (CF)

-------------------------------------Rocchi/Makinwa (ST)

this is a balanced formation with most of our best players playing in their favorite position. If we get Motti, Pinzi, and Fernandez they could replace Kolarov, Ledesma and Foggia

Mauri,Manfredini?Are you serious?And if "Motti" means Moti,he's a CB not a left one.And my opinion is that none from the Pandev,Rocchi,Zarate trio can't stay on the bench,cause they must play tohether.

At the moment the only players that we have that could play in the LM position are Mauri, and Manferdini (Mutarelli is most likely leavin this summer), About Motti on the left well it could be Radu instead. Zarate Pandev and Rocchi on the same side means u're sacrificing a lot on the deffence, cause rarely that they come back and help out on defense. I think Pandev could play as a LAM as well.
It's just an opinion u don't have to take it so seriously! cheers
I just think for a 3 4 3 formation you would need players like Canavaro and Nesta in defense.
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:08 am

zaak wrote:

I just think for a 3 4 3 formation you would need players like Canavaro and Nesta in defense.

I agree...and if we play with 3 DC they should be more fast, espesaly that 2 in the side - Radu maby is fast but other 3 : Rozenhal,Siviglia and Cribari are slow...
I just hope that Lotito wont fired Rossi at the 7th Serie A game Twisted Evil maby is better to do it now Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Which formation Lazio(Rossi) should use?   Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:10 am

In my opinion

Carrizo
Muslera
De Silvestri
Kolarov
Radu
Rozhenhal
Cribari
Sivilgia
Lichsteiner
Matuzuleum
Ledesma
Dabo
Muta (If stays)
Mauri
Meghni
Foggia
Zarate
Rocchi
Pandev

Are all going to want to be a regular starter not to mention names like Makinwa, Firmani and others. Even those we are still looking at like Fernandez, Pinzi/Guana. How do you fit these players in consistently in one formation that will play to eachs strengths. I see it a problem we will have talents like Mauri, Foggia on the bench because we have a 3 man defence with wing backs or Zarate/Rocchi benched to compensate for an extra midfielder


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