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PostSubject: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:21 am

A few days ago, during a new session of the trial which opposes the President of S.S. Lazio 1900 Claudio Lotito against some members of the Irriducibili, the President declared that he has always been talking about "facts, not people".....a kind of retreat which could ease a little bit the position of the defendants. After all, it is quite unusual, to say the least, for a President of a football club to go around heavily escorted like a Prime Minister or a Chief Intelligence Officer....escort paid by Italian taxpayers....
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Mon Jul 07, 2008 9:39 am

Sorry but I don't get it. Neutral
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PostSubject: LOTITO VERSUS IRRIDUCIBILI   Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:02 am

Dear Howie, you may not know that the President of S.S. Lazio 1900, Mr. Claudio Lotito, has been fighting a legal war against the Ultras group known as "Irriducibili". A few years ago, when the President took control of the Club, heavily indebted and with the very serious possibility of being relegated in a minor League, the Ultras Lazio gave a very important contribution by several marches, demonstrations and even violent clashes with the Police...according to a very realistic estimate of Italian authorities, confirmed in a televised interview by Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, there was the risk of very serious and violent confrontation by several thousands supporters of S.S. Lazio 1900 and the Italian riot police in the streets of Rome. A last-minute deal which allowed the Club to pay its debt by a 20 years mortgage, defused tensions and allowed President Lotito to take control. After that, for a time things seemed to work but then the President began to impose his policy according to which "there could be no room for organized supporters and their interests"....For you to understand, you must know that Irriducibili are structured and organized as a little militia, have a strong sense of allegiance and identity and run their own business as a means of financing their activities (merchandising with their logo, tickets, organization of bus and trains for away matches, etc.). In any case, four members of the group are currently under arrest and facing trial for a legal suit presented by the President...in a country like Italy, where Italian justice is managed by magistrates showing a rare and suspicious efficiency and tenacity in this case against Lazio's Ultras....
I hope that I helped you to understand...
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:42 am

I think Howie meant he didn`t understand the significance Wink

e.g. Lotti says Facts not People- fact is he appears surrounded by a military style guard - fact is the money is thrown away by the taxpayer


or something..... scratch

sorry but I don`t get it now either
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:59 am

Hahaha what I did not understand was really the wording on the original topic. I am sure a lot of people are confused on what you are trying to argue also (thus the lack of reolies) bom

I do know the situation of IRR and Lottito and its significance. I just can't really understand the post. Cheers m8!
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:18 am

I think what the original post meant was that Lotito's words may cause the Irriducibili to look more favourably upon the president. it also remarks on the bizarre situation the legal case could cause. no?
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PostSubject: LOTITO VERSUS IRRIDUCIBILI   Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:17 am

Dear Howie, I'm not surprised by your difficulty in "understanding" the topic....if you are not very well acquainted with the way Italian fans in general and Lazio's supporters in particular live their passion for their team, thousands of words will not serve the purpose....but try harder...maybe in a few years you will get the meaning....Caxi, on the contrary, has understood....

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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:27 am

Gundebondo wrote:
Dear Howie, I'm not surprised by your difficulty in "understanding" the topic....if you are not very well acquainted with the way Italian fans in general and Lazio's supporters in particular live their passion for their team, thousands of words will not serve the purpose....but try harder...maybe in a few years you will get the meaning....Caxi, on the contrary, has understood....

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Caro Gunde,
LazioFever.com has been the only voice during the past years regarding Lazio and whatever surround it .
We try harder with translations, radio( we did a radio show) and articles to inform our friends worldwide about any situation free from any pressure as in the city .
We translate quite all infos regarding CNord and IRR and we also try to give a clear ( libera) information about it.
Most of our supporters are fascinated by CNord and when they come to the Olimpico for the Derby they have eyes solo per la Curva.

On the other side you understand that , for them, is difficult to feel what we , living here, are feeling.
So , please , in the future i ask you to report the news about that trial as u did with short comment explaining the general situation for a better understanding.

Grazie

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PostSubject: LOTITO VERSUS IRRIDUCIBILI   Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:36 pm

Dear Ermetico, I have got the message...I have strong feelings about this situation which affects some members of Irriducibili and so I find it hard to accept a certain kind of comments...

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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Wed Jul 09, 2008 1:40 am

Jester was needed for this.
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:05 am

Caxi wrote:
I think what the original post meant was that Lotito's words may cause the Irriducibili to look more favourably upon the president. it also remarks on the bizarre situation the legal case could cause. no?

Thanks for the clear up Caxi. Shorter sentences and simpler words help a lot.

That is the way to clear up ambiguous sentences. Not by jumping to conclusions and being offended ("strong feelings") for minor things. Aren't we all supposed to help each other understand here? Isn't the purpose of a post is to inform and explain? Wink
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PostSubject: An update?   Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:57 am

Since I have been very busy with work and getting my life together I haven't been up to date in what has been going on with this trial?
1. has there been any verdicts? In that case who and what were the charges?
2. Has there been any connection with the Spartacus-trial? (camorra trial in Naples).
3. Have Chinaglia returned for the trial or is he still "hiding" in the u.s?

If I am correct the arrests were made in october 2006. Its been almost 2 years now and the trial is still going on??
Ann by the way ermitico, I love to see this forum back on its feet, and I see you sooner than you think :)
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:39 pm

I thought the guys are out of jail ?
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:15 am

Ok, If they are out, did they get some sort of sentence or is it still open?
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:18 pm

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Lazio/Primo_Piano/2008/07_Luglio/22/chinaglia.shtml


An article from today in GDS about it.
I dont have time a this moment to translate.
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:56 pm

Hi Matt , glad to see you here again.

The situation is:
Chinaglia is in Usa under the lawyers protection and Usa laws.
The 3 guys( Fabrizio, Fabrizio, Yuri) are at home with restrictions ( No calls, letters, or any other comunication) and they are not aloud to exit.
1 Paolo is "free" but with restrictions .

Today , as u can notice in the news papers , is official that The Casalesi clan ( The most famous camorra clan) was involved in the transaction and Chinaglia was too.
The judge already signed the documents for official research and jail for 10 people ( including Chinaglia) and he also declared that the supporters Laziali were not aware ( informed) about this hidden sitution and that could be a hope for the four guys to be free soon.

At the moment this is the situation that has keeped us, Laziali, on the blade for almost 2 years.

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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:51 pm

It's probably not for here but ...

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=786678
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:26 pm

Grazie Claudio per aver salvato la S.S.Lazio 1900 dalle mani della Camorra....!
Tra un pò avrai compiuto un vero capolavoro !


from : http://www.ansa.it/opencms/export/site/notizie/rubriche/altrenotizie/visualizza_new.html_730136336.html

SS LAZIO, SCALATA CON SOLDI DELLA CAMORRA
ROMA - Un tentativo di acquisto della società biancoceleste fu fatta con fondi del clan dei Casalesi, anche con atti violenti e intimidazioni mafiose: è l'ipotesi su cui si basano dieci ordinanze di custodia cautelare per riciclaggio emesse dalla magistratura di Roma, fra gli altri anche per l'ex capitano e bandiera della Lazio Giorgio Chinaglia, tuttora latitante.
Chinaglia era già stato raggiunto da un ordine di arresto due anni fa nell'ambito di una prima inchiesta sulla presunta scalata da parte di un fantomatico gruppo industriale ungherese

SEQUESTRATI 2 MILIONI EURO - Sette arresti, tre latitanti e il sequestro di due milioni di euro, parte del denaro che il clan dei Casalesi aveva 'investito' per la scalata della società Ss Lazio. Questo il bilancio dell'operazione Broken Wings, svolta dalla Guardia di finanza e dalla Digos di Roma e illustrata nel corso di una conferenza stampa.

L'obiettivo del potente clan di Casal di Principe era quello di entrare nel mondo del calcio, nel salotto buono della serie A italiana. Per questo i Casalesi avevano messo su un meccanismo che operava su due livelli e che coinvolgeva anche dei professionisti. Da un lato la camorra dell'area casertana riciclava il denaro proveniente da attività illecite per scalare il titolo del club capitolino, e dall'altro coinvolgeva figure carismatiche del club, come Giorgio Chinaglia, per "preparare la piazza all'arrivo di fantomatici nuovi acquirenti". Ruolo attivo anche per gli Irriducibili, frangia ultrà del tifo biancoceleste, che a più riprese, nel corso del 2005, hanno messo in atto contestazioni alla gestione societaria del presidente Lotito giungendo anche a minacciarlo con tentativi di estorsione sui quali è attualmente in corso il processo di primo grado.

10 ORDINANZE,TRE LATITANTI - In tutto sono dieci le ordinanze emesse per riciclaggio dal Gip del tribunale di Roma, Guglielmo Montoni: di queste, tre non sono ancora state eseguite. Risultano latitanti oltre a Giorgio Chinaglia anche Zoltan Zlivas, cittadino ungherese, e un terzo uomo di cui però gli inquirenti non hanno rivelato il nome. Un provvedimento riguarda Giuseppe Diana, attualmente in regime di 41 bis nel carcere di Opera a Milano, considerato organico al clan La Torre dei Casalesi. In manette sono finiti Guido Di Cosimo, luogotenente romano dei Casalesi, il commercialista Errico Bruno, il bancario Mario Pascolino, l'avvocato Arturo Ceccherini, Giancarlo Benedetti e Giuseppe Bellantonio.

Ve ricordate lo scontrino de' Toffolo ?? Era la prova che aveva incontrato il magnate ungherese....
Du' cornetti e'n cappuccino !!!

A RIDICOLI !!

FORZA LAZIO....SOLO LAZIO !


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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:17 pm

Free@eagle: You are welcome in our community.
Please remind that:
1) This is an english speaking community made by world wide Laziali
2) Before posting we are glad to meet each other and present ourself to other Laziali.


Please whenever you post something delicate as the article above give an explanation and some info regarding your position.

du cornetti un cappuccio nun se possono legge.

Basta mettere la notizia e commentarla con stile .

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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:40 pm

I'm upset with this. I feel like a sucker. A pawn. A fool.

I'm not mad or angry, but just disappointed. For two (2) years, we have discussed this. The simple fact that an "unknown" group was going to purchase Lazio and save us. That maybe Chinaglia will come back to the club he loves and save us. Now this. How did they NOT expect to get caught? This is rubbish and the fact that it went on for two years and kept us all hoping and praying that this "unknown" millionaire was going to save the club was in fact a farce? ! Chinaglia...I don't think I can forgive you for this act of stupidity. Did you have Lazio's best interest at heart or your own ($$$$$$). Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:48 pm

Ermetico wrote:
Hi Matt , glad to see you here again.

The situation is:
Chinaglia is in Usa under the lawyers protection and Usa laws.
The 3 guys( Fabrizio, Fabrizio, Yuri) are at home with restrictions ( No calls, letters, or any other comunication) and they are not aloud to exit.
1 Paolo is "free" but with restrictions .

Today , as u can notice in the news papers , is official that The Casalesi clan ( The most famous camorra clan) was involved in the transaction and Chinaglia was too.
The judge already signed the documents for official research and jail for 10 people ( including Chinaglia) and he also declared that the supporters Laziali were not aware ( informed) about this hidden sitution and that could be a hope for the four guys to be free soon.

At the moment this is the situation that has keeped us, Laziali, on the blade for almost 2 years.

I am following this with deepest interest. Please continue keeping us updated..!
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:21 am

Ermetico wrote:
Free@eagle: You are welcome in our community.
Please remind that:
1) This is an english speaking community made by world wide Laziali
2) Before posting we are glad to meet each other and present ourself to other Laziali.


Please whenever you post something delicate as the article above give an explanation and some info regarding your position.

du cornetti un cappuccio nun se possono legge.

Basta mettere la notizia e commentarla con stile .

The admin.

Grazie paolè...ma già ci conosciamo..!

Ciao
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:28 am

free@eagle wrote:
Grazie Claudio per aver salvato la S.S.Lazio 1900 dalle mani della Camorra....!
Tra un pò avrai compiuto un vero capolavoro !


from : http://www.ansa.it/opencms/export/site/notizie/rubriche/altrenotizie/visualizza_new.html_730136336.html

SS LAZIO, SCALATA CON SOLDI DELLA CAMORRA
ROMA - Un tentativo di acquisto della società biancoceleste fu fatta con fondi del clan dei Casalesi, anche con atti violenti e intimidazioni mafiose: è l'ipotesi su cui si basano dieci ordinanze di custodia cautelare per riciclaggio emesse dalla magistratura di Roma, fra gli altri anche per l'ex capitano e bandiera della Lazio Giorgio Chinaglia, tuttora latitante.
Chinaglia era già stato raggiunto da un ordine di arresto due anni fa nell'ambito di una prima inchiesta sulla presunta scalata da parte di un fantomatico gruppo industriale ungherese

SEQUESTRATI 2 MILIONI EURO - Sette arresti, tre latitanti e il sequestro di due milioni di euro, parte del denaro che il clan dei Casalesi aveva 'investito' per la scalata della società Ss Lazio. Questo il bilancio dell'operazione Broken Wings, svolta dalla Guardia di finanza e dalla Digos di Roma e illustrata nel corso di una conferenza stampa.

L'obiettivo del potente clan di Casal di Principe era quello di entrare nel mondo del calcio, nel salotto buono della serie A italiana. Per questo i Casalesi avevano messo su un meccanismo che operava su due livelli e che coinvolgeva anche dei professionisti. Da un lato la camorra dell'area casertana riciclava il denaro proveniente da attività illecite per scalare il titolo del club capitolino, e dall'altro coinvolgeva figure carismatiche del club, come Giorgio Chinaglia, per "preparare la piazza all'arrivo di fantomatici nuovi acquirenti". Ruolo attivo anche per gli Irriducibili, frangia ultrà del tifo biancoceleste, che a più riprese, nel corso del 2005, hanno messo in atto contestazioni alla gestione societaria del presidente Lotito giungendo anche a minacciarlo con tentativi di estorsione sui quali è attualmente in corso il processo di primo grado.

10 ORDINANZE,TRE LATITANTI - In tutto sono dieci le ordinanze emesse per riciclaggio dal Gip del tribunale di Roma, Guglielmo Montoni: di queste, tre non sono ancora state eseguite. Risultano latitanti oltre a Giorgio Chinaglia anche Zoltan Zlivas, cittadino ungherese, e un terzo uomo di cui però gli inquirenti non hanno rivelato il nome. Un provvedimento riguarda Giuseppe Diana, attualmente in regime di 41 bis nel carcere di Opera a Milano, considerato organico al clan La Torre dei Casalesi. In manette sono finiti Guido Di Cosimo, luogotenente romano dei Casalesi, il commercialista Errico Bruno, il bancario Mario Pascolino, l'avvocato Arturo Ceccherini, Giancarlo Benedetti e Giuseppe Bellantonio.

Ve ricordate lo scontrino de' Toffolo ?? Era la prova che aveva incontrato il magnate ungherese....
Du' cornetti e'n cappuccino !!!

A RIDICOLI !!

FORZA LAZIO....SOLO LAZIO !



ridicolo ce sarai!

why don't you report the words of the Digos' Chief Giannini, who said that "at the moment there is no evidence that the fans knew where the money was coming from"?

the time where people can vomit on the fans is about to end. We'll see, then, those who stand up, and those who will have to give their apologies.
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:31 am

anyway, this topic is a mess and I don't like the way things are being said.

the situation is rather complicated (see the news that are being posted now by the LF team); I believe that the maximum clarity is needed when we talk about such topics...

thank you.
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PostSubject: Re: Lotito trial against Irriducibili   Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:38 am

Lerneby wrote:
Since I have been very busy with work and getting my life together I haven't been up to date in what has been going on with this trial?
1. has there been any verdicts? In that case who and what were the charges?
2. Has there been any connection with the Spartacus-trial? (camorra trial in Naples).
3. Have Chinaglia returned for the trial or is he still "hiding" in the u.s?

If I am correct the arrests were made in october 2006. Its been almost 2 years now and the trial is still going on??
Ann by the way ermitico, I love to see this forum back on its feet, and I see you sooner than you think :)
/Lerneby

1. no verdicts yet. The charges are financial manipulation and extortion
2. yes; the judges determination has been emitted today... 10 people charged with money laundering (Chinaglia, his spokeman and 8 more... no IRR, in case freeeagle or jump were wondering)
3. Chinaglia is still hiding... and given what's happened today, he'll keep hiding for long

the Irr trial is still going on; they are still at the (house) arrests.
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