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PostSubject: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:52 am

After we all talked about Delio Rossi and his tactics, and after we all analised our team and our bad things..i would like to find out, without off-topics, what first 11 you would choose for Lazio if you were in Rossi`s place. And use all our players.

Mine would be:

Muslera

Rozenhal - Diakite - Radu
De Silvestri - Foggia - Ledesma - Matuzalem - Kolarov

Pandev - Rocchi (Zarate)

a 3-5-2 where De Silvestri and Kolarov could turn the team , when we are under attack, into a 5-3-2 with Ledesma creating superiority in our defensive and having 6 man (and the gk 7) ...at least..because of course, Foggia and Ledesma could easily be our + men. I said Matuzalem but we could very well bring Foggia on left and play with Brocchi or Dabo on right. From what i saw ..Diakita had the potential and the ability to be the central defender, while Radu (since he`s an original central defender) could became, with David, the best trio in front of our goalkeeper. When i thought about this system, i had in mind that De Silvestri and Kolarov can run 2 days if they need to. They can also be a good midfielders ..with their crosses, shoots and speed. Also..they could easy have in David and Radu a nice shadow..while Ledemsa could be the man who saves the "world" if they are doing anything wrong. Also..Foggia and Matuzalem have speed and can help. Dabo or Brocchi are natural defense midfielders.
As for attack..Pandev/Rocchi/Zarate could have the support that they need..without making them walking the field just to touch the ball (like it`s now in Rossi`s era). They can focus on what are they doing the best.

So this is my opinion on how Lazio should look with the players that we have.

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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:22 am

First of all when will you guys ... all you guys learn these two basic things.

1. Lazio should ALWAYS play 4 - 4 - 2 but that will take some time.

2. The lineup is written upside down.


--------- Zarate ----- Pandev -------

------------- Rosina ---------------

Dabo ---- Ledesma ---- Brochi

Kolarov --- Diakite -- Rozenahl -- Desilvestri
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:37 am

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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:37 am

Rossina ?? nice idea, a good realistic target and perfect for the way we play


--------------------Carrizo


Lichy-------Diakite----------Rozenhal---------Kolarov

-----------Dabo---------Ledesma------

Foggia-----------------------------------Meghni


----------------------------Zarate

--------------Pandev(Rocchi)
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:04 am

Carrizo

De Silvestri -- Diakite -- Rozehnal - Kolarov

-- Dabo -- Ledesma --

Foggia -- Pandev -- Zarate

-- Rocchi --


If we want to be dangerous we should never again put Mauri in starting eleven!
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:11 am

IMO we should really play a 4-4-2

<Carrizzo>
<Radu> <Cribari> <Rozehnal> <Lichtsteiner>
<Foggia> <Ledesma> <Matuzalem> <Meghni>
<Zarate> <Pandev/Rocchi>
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:53 am

deZio wrote:
Carrizo

De Silvestri -- Diakite -- Rozehnal - Kolarov

-- Dabo -- Ledesma --

Foggia -- Pandev -- Zarate

-- Rocchi --


If we want to be dangerous we should never again put Mauri in starting eleven!

I like this a lot but Radu MUST play ahead of Kolarov and Lichtsteiner atm deserves to start ahead of Lollo, but I'm a big Lollo fan so I wouldn't mind seeing him more.

Also, I disagree with all the Mauri bashing. He may not be a starter but he is a good squad player to have on the bench or an option in case of injury.

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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:12 pm

Muslera

Lichsteiner -- Diakite -- Rozehnal - Kolarov Suspect

-- Dabo -- Ledesma --

Foggia -- Pandev -- Zarate

-- Rocchi --

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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:44 pm

Zarate - Pandev
Meghni - Dabo - Foggia
Ledesma
Radu - Cribari - Diakite - Lichtsteiner
Carrizo


Lost my confidence in Kolarov, Cribari and Diakite for the physicall and aerial presence in the box, Stephan as our most consistent player, Meghni to live up the left side, Foggia to storm the right side, Pandev as skill and Zarate as speed.

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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 3:07 pm

Sile wrote:
Zarate - Pandev
Meghni - Dabo - Foggia
Ledesma
Radu - Cribari - Diakite - Lichtsteiner
Carrizo


Lost my confidence in Kolarov, Cribari and Diakite for the physicall and aerial presence in the box, Stephan as our most consistent player, Meghni to live up the left side, Foggia to storm the right side, Pandev as skill and Zarate as speed.

! agree 100% with that team. In an ideal world of course.
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 4:32 pm

I'll disagree with some points. Diakite is good but too young. Meghni is not starter imo too.

My Team is:
----------Zarate-----Pandev------------
--Foggia---Brocchi--Ledesma---Dabo--
---Radu----Roz----Cribari---Licht-------
------------------Carizzo----------------

And we have to buy new good CB and AM, and in this case I like idea of Rozina
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:18 pm

----------Zarate-----Rocchi------------
--Pandev---Brocchi--Ledesma---Foggia--
---Radu----Roz----Diakite---Licht-------
------------------Carizzo----------------

In this Pandev and Foggia will have to move extremely well if it's gonna work, but its possible. Dont stare your eyes blind at Pandevs position think about the big picture :) if i had arrows i would have used them to show what i mean with alot of movement
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:19 pm

Carrizo

Licht --- Roze --- Diak --- Radu

DS ---Dabo(or ELANO!!)--- Ldsma --- Foggia

Pandev (or zarate)--- Rocchi


I agree with ppl in this forum who suggested we should back to 4-4-2 formation...

Now is the right time to use tactic with wingers... we have plenty of brilliant wingers : DS (right & not a problem if playing as a left winger), Licht (same as DS), Foggia (both feet work perfectly), ZArate (same as Foggia), Kolarov (left), Radu (Left)

but the problem is we don't have someone that we really can trust as a towering CF...

so Lotito has to find that kind of striker immediately... a prolific one of course...

in the mean time Rossi could try Inzaghi, mendicino, Makinwa or Kozak in that place and meanwhile pandev (or zarate) should play little bit like forward attacking midfielder...
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:42 pm

*****************CARRIZZO****************

************ROZEHNAL**DIAKITE************

**LICHTSTEINER******************KOLAROV**

******************BROCCHI****************

************LEDESMA*****FOGGIA***********

******************ZARATE******************

************PANDEV*****ROCCHI************

coach : PAZKE Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:00 pm

Carrizo

DeSilvestri Rozehnal Cribari/Diakite Radu

Lichti Ledesma Matuzalem/Dabo Kolarov

Pandev Zarate/Rocchi
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:50 pm

------------J.P Carrizo--------

Litchy---Diakite---Rozehnal----Radu

Foggia Ledesma Matuzalem Megnhi

---------Zarate kid--Pandev--------


442 we are Lazio, we have no other system!
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 2:33 am

I liked alot that of Kurama 3-5-2 formation and DeZio one of 4-2-3-1 formation, eventhough I would replace Pandev position for Matulazem (e.g. Foggia-Matulazem-Pandev) and leaving Zarate as the solo striker up front, this formation could make the a good balnce in our squad as Matulazem can move forward (as he used with Shaktar) and backward to help the midfield.

For me I still beleive that a 4-4-2 is the best, but in all honesty, I don't expect much from of it for this Lazio side with the quality of players we have in the midfield and defense, it seems easy on paper but in reality it could be difficult for all of the following:

1- We need a strong defense (2 great central defenders) as the 3 man midfiled will not exist any more.
2- We need a DM with a great quality who can break opponents play, recover balls, distribute balls, and run through out the whole filed tierdless like Almeyda during the glory days and Juve Sissoko!,we can't depend on our old Dabo who can't play for a whole 90 minutes!i
3- We need a good left wing or LM, I don't see Meghni can handle it well, not to forget that Mauri and Manfradini is out of my calculations of course. i am still curious to see Litch out there?
4- We need a forward who is great in the air and can play well with his feet as,well (we don't need another Corradi), and above all with the much needed clinical finish! He should get the balls from the 2 wings or L & RB like Bobo, Trez, Amauri...etc we don't have such a player at the moment, and thats why I think we should have signed Cavani last summer.

This is my humble opnion, I might be wrong and it could work nicely (which I really hope) with current players, I do beleive any change that can improve our team football display is welcomed with arms wide open.
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:10 am

We don't have the defense to play 3-5-2. Rossi wanted to play that, but it didn't work out at all in the pre-season. We would need another quality centreback for that. We need a left midfielder for sure if we want to play the 4-4-2. And I agree with people that Dabo isn't that good anymore.
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:25 am

Laziophilic wrote:
I liked alot that of Kurama 3-5-2 formation and DeZio one of 4-2-3-1 formation, eventhough I would replace Pandev position for Matulazem (e.g. Foggia-Matulazem-Pandev) and leaving Zarate as the solo striker up front, this formation could make the a good balnce in our squad as Matulazem can move forward (as he used with Shaktar) and backward to help the midfield.

For me I still beleive that a 4-4-2 is the best, but in all honesty, I don't expect much from of it for this Lazio side with the quality of players we have in the midfield and defense, it seems easy on paper but in reality it could be difficult for all of the following:

1- We need a strong defense (2 great central defenders) as the 3 man midfiled will not exist any more.
2- We need a DM with a great quality who can break opponents play, recover balls, distribute balls, and run through out the whole filed tierdless like Almeyda during the glory days and Juve Sissoko!,we can't depend on our old Dabo who can't play for a whole 90 minutes!i
3- We need a good left wing or LM, I don't see Meghni can handle it well, not to forget that Mauri and Manfradini is out of my calculations of course. i am still curious to see Litch out there?
4- We need a forward who is great in the air and can play well with his feet as,well (we don't need another Corradi), and above all with the much needed clinical finish! He should get the balls from the 2 wings or L & RB like Bobo, Trez, Amauri...etc we don't have such a player at the moment, and thats why I think we should have signed Cavani last summer.

This is my humble opnion, I might be wrong and it could work nicely (which I really hope) with current players, I do beleive any change that can improve our team football display is welcomed with arms wide open.




Its been very long since we scored from a corner, or a set pieces, seems as if no one knows how how put a header, i think u are right we need these kind of striker,

but the real question is , isnt libor kozak and Mindicino the men for this job, they should get a chance, Mindicino scored an excellent header against liverpool which was dissallowed !
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:13 pm

Abd, you are totally right... I call in some games we had 16 corners without any threat on the opponents! Lotito and Rossi should focus on those qualities we miss in all departments rather than bringing players in places coverd well by our existing players.

I keep hearing alot that Mindicino is great talent and Kozak is scoring goals for our Primevara, If Rossi gave too many chances of his towering man Mr.Makinwa, I think he shoud start to think about them more, but when and where? Maybe in Coppa Italia, or if we have a strikers injury crisis, including Makinwa himself of course (;
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:57 pm

Iaquinta is the one for us but I guess it won't happen.

Also, I do believe we are really missing Mudingayi considering how woeful Dabo has been.
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:02 pm

Caxi wrote:
Also, I do believe we are really missing Mudingayi considering how woeful Dabo has been.

Yep , We need force , muscles and creativity in the middle. A player with that characteristics , I mean to be equally good attacking and defensing and in the same time physically strong would be great , but we all know such players are very rare. Also we do need class , someone with experience , not just raw talent....
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:07 pm

Currently maybe

-------------------Carrizo-----------------
-----------Diakite--------Cribari---------
Lichty-------------------------------Radu
-------------------Dabo------------------
--Foggia------------------------Kolarov
------------------Meghni--------------
---------Pandev---------Zarate----
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:39 pm

Ledesma could fill that part.. but he`s like the wind..one good match, 3 weird matches and 5 bad ones. Mudingay didnt showed much when he was with us and prolly that`s because Delio Rossi didnt knew where to play him and where. I liked him anyway..
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PostSubject: Re: Ideal first team ?   Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:47 pm

I would like something along the lines of what Kurama showed.

--------------------------CARRIZO-------------------------

----LICHTSTEINER-----ROZEHNAL-----RADU------------

DE SILVESTRI---LEDESMA---MATUZALEM---KOLAROV

---------------------------FOGGIA--------------------------

---------------ZARATE--------------PANDEV--------------

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