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PostSubject: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sat Feb 21, 2009 7:06 am

Hi

In the 70s and 80s, It has been a Canadian thing to go and live in Europe after the studies. I would like to move to Europe for a year or two to experience life style and day to day living. I mean working and living. Right now I live in Toronto, Canada, and I am just too used to American style of life. Here is what bothers me:

-Luck of Champions League / Uefa matches. You have to get on a 8 hour flight to see CL or LAZIO game. Hockey and Basketball dominate.
-Vacation time is very limited and country is very cold.
-The last and most important, people are very materialistic. The friendship is always based on some intrest hehe.

Here is where I need help. What part of western Europe would you suggest to someone from Canada? I am fluent in English and some southern Slavic languages. I am looking to pick the country where it is not too expensive to live. I am aware of the fact that Euro Zone countries have the higher costs of living.
I have asked already Paolo (Erimetico) for some advise when it comes to Rome. He was not too pleased with Rome. Very Happy His Canadian/Italian friends are admiring Toronto more, and he thinks Toronto is doing better.

How about UK countries considering that we speak the same language in Canada? Maybe it would be easier to obtain the working permits? Considering that we get many sunny days in Toronto, is UK too fogy and rainy? Uk/France - Norway/Sweden? and the last , what about Germany, Austria and Slovenia? Benelux states as Begium and Holland?
We have many members from different parts of Europe Very Happy
Any help would be good.
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:22 pm

Hey, what a great opprtunity you have!

I've travelled all over Europe and I have to my favourite places are Italy and Sweden. Italy is such a fantastic country with incredible people and amazing towns and cities. I'll never grow tired of going there. Problems though, such as low wages and cost of living may make it difficult to live there, I guess it depends on what you want to do.

Sweden is a fantastic place too. The people are so friendly and life seems very simple. Everyone seems to have all their priorities in place, and it's definatley a place I would consider moving to. It's pretty safe too. Bad points are, I've heard it's quite difficult to get a job there, maybe some of our Swedish friends could elaborate. It is pretty expensive too.

I really don't want to influence you too much because these are only my opinions, but I would avoid the UK. Jobs are scarce and the economy is crumbling because of the credit crunch. The people aren't too friendly and the weather sucks! Very Happy I'm looking for a way out! On the plus side it's probably a similar lifestyle to what you have now and you don't have to learn a new language.

Hope any of this helps!

Oh yeah, Ireland is pretty cool too!

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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:44 pm

Ireland's economic state would be the big problem with my country. In saying that, it could be quite easy to get into and possibly get a job. Yes, the cost of living is high but if you can get a good paying job in a rural area, you are sorted my friend. The economy is crumbling because of millionaires who spend way too much money. It's still affordable to get by on the cheap if you budget.

Flights could also be cheap. Ireland is pretty fantastic for low budget airlines.

Outside of Dublin, the country is also very welcoming. You would have no problem fitting in if you like pub culture.
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:25 am

Giolazio wrote:
Hey, what a great opprtunity you have!

I've travelled all over Europe and I have to my favourite places are Italy and Sweden. Italy is such a fantastic country with incredible people and amazing towns and cities. I'll never grow tired of going there. Problems though, such as low wages and cost of living may make it difficult to live there, I guess it depends on what you want to do.

Sweden is a fantastic place too. The people are so friendly and life seems very simple. Everyone seems to have all their priorities in place, and it's definatley a place I would consider moving to. It's pretty safe too. Bad points are, I've heard it's quite difficult to get a job there, maybe some of our Swedish friends could elaborate. It is pretty expensive too.

I really don't want to influence you too much because these are only my opinions, but I would avoid the UK. Jobs are scarce and the economy is crumbling because of the credit crunch. The people aren't too friendly and the weather sucks! Very Happy I'm looking for a way out! On the plus side it's probably a similar lifestyle to what you have now and you don't have to learn a new language.

Hope any of this helps!

Oh yeah, Ireland is pretty cool too!

Haha...tahts hilarious Gio...I am in the middle of negotiations to get a job in Glasgow...I really loved it when living there, and on the contrary I am more than tired of this cold (both weather and ppl), expensive and dull place...

The grass is always greener elsewhere, huh?

I have lived in England, Scotland, Denmark, Netherland..a few more places as well, but not for very long, only shorter stays (a few months that is...) and I grew up in Sweden. Would choose any of the other spots whenever I got the chance, even though Sweden has its nice things as well (Stockholm during the summer is the most beautiful place....). But if I really had to choose one place it wouldnt be that easy..Glasgow was nice to me, but i think I would go for the Netherlands if I was you Djokovic...nice people, specially if you live away from Amsterdam (gets a bit too much after a while, beautiful city though..), not that expensive and as things were before the "crisis" finding a job (or somewhere to study) was pretty easy and you would get around with only English well enough...

Guess it all has to do with ciscumstances though...just realised how I am making judgements on whole countries, large groups of people, by only living in one city for a period...
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:35 am

Ha ha! So far we have all contradicted each other!

Knew we could help! tongue

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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:50 pm

Go to Cyprus, the "year around island".

Quite cheap to live there, and well easy to get a job as whatever. Don't need to earn loads of money, just to make everything go around
and then u have the weather ofcourse and close to the mediterraniean everywhere Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 1:28 pm

Ha ha looks as the topic got quite interesting. Nice Nice Anyways , I appreciate all the feedback.

Giolazio, I have to agree with you about UK. I mean it gets cold here and all, but those sunny days make up for everything. I am not too scared to start learning a new language. Commenting about Italy, I noticed the situation about low wages. Even Paolo was telling me that some people make as low as 500 euros a month.
As well as other southern country, someone brought up Cyprus. I think that would be too big of a change for me.
Sweden seem as good adventure. Everyone has said positive things about Sweden/Norway.


Going back to more South, I have have to agree that Nederland seems very promising. Sounds as English is quite spoken there. The country is also closer to Italy/Rome as well as my homeland. Let alone that Amsterdam is very internationally recognized. That is something to keep in mind. Grass is always greener on the other side? So true hehhee. No question about that. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 2:22 pm

Djokovic wrote:
Ha ha looks as the topic got quite interesting. Nice Nice Anyways , I appreciate all the feedback.

Giolazio, I have to agree with you about UK. I mean it gets cold here and all, but those sunny days make up for everything. I am not too scared to start learning a new language. Commenting about Italy, I noticed the situation about low wages. Even Paolo was telling me that some people make as low as 500 euros a month.
As well as other southern country, someone brought up Cyprus. I think that would be too big of a change for me.
Sweden seem as good adventure. Everyone has said positive things about Sweden/Norway.


Going back to more South, I have have to agree that Nederland seems very promising. Sounds as English is quite spoken there. The country is also closer to Italy/Rome as well as my homeland. Let alone that Amsterdam is very internationally recognized. That is something to keep in mind. Grass is always greener on the other side? So true hehhee. No question about that. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:22 pm

I was wondering if I should post something here but if I can help, then here is my experience.
If you looking for a really nice and hot weather and worm and friendly people try the south of Europe. When I was in Spain the food and live was little bit more cheap then the others, I don't know who much cost the renting apartment there through. If you have decent background at college and good knowledge of English I think you'll have no trouble in finding a job.
It depends what is your goal. Do you want to earn something or just to travel and meet new people and culture.
At the moment Czech is the country with less workers and are seeking for employees from everywhere. Prague is really magnificent.
From Balkan countries I would recommend Croatia. It's on one of the most beautiful seas in the world and it's really nice country. About more info ask for Sile, I think he can tell you more. Grecce is also nice but very, very expensive and I don't know if you can find job there.

Well thats all I know, hope it will help.
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:44 pm

I can also recommend Czech. It's very, very cheap there, (even for us swedes with our currency very low at the moment.) Prague is a very beautiful city and there are also nice skiing resorts in the country. It is the most modern country of the old Soviet states. The country isn't far from Italy either, wich means that you can go and see Lazio plenty of times. Very Happy
But it is an inland country with no sea. No
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:44 pm

I can definitely recommend Croatia.

If I had a choice where to live I'd go to Istria, the western most part of the country. Economically it's the most advanced region (except the capital Zagreb), the people are very open minded and friendly. There's a strong Italian minority that has lived here since forever and the co-existence of many nationalities in this region is the perfect example of tolerance.

It's a strong tourist destination so no-one would mind you being a stranger, especially since you speak the language, also italian and english are very well accepted. The coastline is beautiful, very nice climate, mild winters and not overly hot summers, the food is exceptional (istrian truffles, fish, wine), the architecture is Mediterranean...

And you'd be very well connected, for instance a 3h drive to Zagreb, direct flights to Belgrade, 2 hours drive to Ljubljana, half an hour to Trieste and then a 7 hour train ride straight to Roma Termini Very Happy

Hope it helps. When you come to a decision let us know.

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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:17 pm

I agree that Croatia is nice but , I don't like it. When I was there two summers ago , the country is just too expensive for what it offers. It is about 2x times more expensive than Toronto. I also think that I am too young not to learn an other Language. I have been to CZ and like it better than Croatia. It looks more western than Croatia, and prices are very fair. I am going back home for a summer time. I will go back to CZ to visit my friend and see again. Once I take the vacation, I will visit Holland to see how I would fit in. As you guys see, it will take some time for me to make good choice. The earliest will be the summer time when I will know the true facts. From what I see now, this is how it looks:

# 1Holland/Belg

# 2 Spain/Italy

# 3 CZ/Prague-Brno


I am confident no matter what happens, I am doing nice thing. Life is just too short not to take the chances. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:34 pm

Come to Belgium !
Land of 1800 beers
And just 2 h from Amsterdam by car, 3 h from Paris by car, and by train in 90 min to London and dozens of cheap flights to Roma !... the centre of Europe !!!
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PostSubject: ^^   Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:49 pm

Of course Pazke, Benelux countries are quite high on my bar heheh.

Since you live there I have a question. In Holland , everyone is obligated to pay for medical insurance that is around 120-150 euros a month. I am thinking, it is similar in Belgium? How about cost of living in Holland vs Belg? Would appreciate any info.
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:13 pm

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Of course Pazke, Benelux countries are quite high on my bar heheh.

Since you live there I have a question. In Holland , everyone is obligated to pay for medical insurance that is around 120-150 euros a month. I am thinking, it is similar in Belgium? How about cost of living in Holland vs Belg? Would appreciate any info.

here it's similar, but no obligation :

Quote :
BELGIAN HEALTHCARE

You can be assured of the highest-quality medical care in Belgium, regarded as among the best healthcare systems in Europe. As in most countries, the system divides itself into state and private, though fees are payable in both, so you need to ensure that you are adequately covered through either the state insurance and/or private insurance. The advantages of the state mutuelle/mutualiteit scheme is that you can choose any doctor, clinic or hospital you like, in any location and without referral, according to your needs in much the same way as you can with private insurance.

Doctors
General practitioners can be found in private practices or attached to clinics and hospitals and you are free to consult or register with any you like. Similarly with specialist consultants. It may be a decision based on location, language or recommendation. It's always worth speaking to neighbours or colleagues when you first arrive; everyone knows of a doctor, or has heard of one with a good reputation.
Embassies usually keep lists of doctors who can work in your language, though it has to be said that most doctors have a good understanding of English.

Itís always worth checking whether a doctor is registered as national health service (conventionnť/geconventioneerd) or private. Some are both, perhaps working at a hospital and also in their own private practice. One thing to remember is to take cash with you. Consultations usually end with a handing over of money and very few doctors offer payment by card of any type. If you have state social security, reimbursement rates are calculated but only after youíve paid up front. If you are on a private scheme, or are uninsured, you pay the whole lot there and then. It's always worth checking fees before you book an appointment.

The majority of dentists in Belgium are private, though there are those who accept part-payment on state insurance. Make it a priority to check when registering as the fee differentials can be huge. For any specialist work, such as crowns and bridges, the dentist may well ask how you will pay and offer you different quotations. To qualify for health insurance reimbursement you'll need to visit the dentist at least once a year. In the big cities, Brussels in particular, there are international dentistry practices , though they can be considerably more expensive.

or here, from page 27 on :
www.euro.who.int/document/e71203.pdf
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:31 pm

in short :
- when you work in Belgium, 1/3 of your wage goes straight to all different social and health funds, so everyone here can use the rather 'cheap' health care system

- most companies (private or government) already include a private health insurrance in your contract as an extra 'bonus' for your job, you just have to pay a minimal fee every month (5-10Ä) to get a full insurance

- for students & non-workers, they also can get a private health insurrance but this is not obligatory, they also can use the 'cheap' health care system if associated to one of it's many health funds (or independant or politically coloured)
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:52 pm

Looks as there is more reasonable than Holland. I appreciate Pazke. Thank you
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Sun Mar 01, 2009 4:08 am

Pazke, your efforts on the Belgium advertisements have really caught me...

Basically, I am around in the same position... I am studying now in London, and hoping to do my master's here too. I am at UCL now, and hopefully will get into LSE for master's.

I don't have a European passport, and I don't speak either French or Flemish. I speak only Armenian, Russian, English and Italian.

Do you think it will be worth applying to Belgian businesses with the hope that they'll accept me even though I don't speak their language and don't have an EU passport?
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PostSubject: Update   Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:32 am

I bought an air ticket so I will try to look into the countries that I narrowed down. I made some progress and got some ideas. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:39 am

I see. It would be nice if Pazke could tell us how would it be easy to get work permit in there. They have to have some student jobs just for a fresh start and than move with our career.
Forza Lazio, I am not sure why you want to move from London. Would you elaborate a bit if you don't mind?

Forza Lazio wrote:
Pazke, your efforts on the Belgium advertisements have really caught me...

Basically, I am around in the same position... I am studying now in London, and hoping to do my master's here too. I am at UCL now, and hopefully will get into LSE for master's.

I don't have a European passport, and I don't speak either French or Flemish. I speak only Armenian, Russian, English and Italian.

Do you think it will be worth applying to Belgian businesses with the hope that they'll accept me even though I don't speak their language and don't have an EU passport?
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:38 am

All this sounds great Djokovic.... I hope it works out for you.

Come to New Zealand or Australia man.... let me know.... I can provide you with all the information you want! Very Happy

I'm in my 3rd year now at university and hoping to get into Honours next year. After that I will see.

I too want to move to Europe in a few years time once I finish with studies here in NZ. I am thinking of doing a work and travel year or two with friends around Europe after I finish studying and see how it is in different places and how life, culture, work, etc, is over there.

Let us know!

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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Thu Apr 09, 2009 7:29 am

^Bratko you are insane hehehe. IMO Australia and NZ are just too far for my taste. I have a Greek friend that lived in Australia and decided to come to Canada. He said Canada is cold but, better in his opinion and he is 85 hehe. I have to admit that NZ has some sick nature and landscape. I was just watching bachelor show that we have in Canada and US. It was just a beauty. I am looking for something closer to home since my father moved back home. Than again going back to NZ, I was told it is in their mentality to travel to Europe and see the world upon finishing the studies. It is something in their or your culture since you live there.
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PostSubject: Re: What European country would you suggest for me?   Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:39 pm

Yeah bratko definitely.

NZ is very good if you want to take a holiday out in the nature. Its beautiful.

A lot of Kiwis want to go to Europe (and also the US). Especially England and Ireland because a lot of the people here have relatives and friends there. For me, personally, I want to go back to Europe because its closer to Bulgaria (I came to NZ in 1994) and to visit other places where we have family (Italy, Germany and Austria).
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