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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:27 pm

i know that it was dream but i really hope that we get two great CD this week & going to bring back ledesma & pandev to our line-up, then we could easily trying to reach to CL, but i know that with lotito we dont get anyone this mercato & we loose pandev without replace him with anyone, & we dont get any CD, let`s see.
it`s really a sham that we bring back like Baronio, del nero, mauri &... to squad instead of get better replace for pandev & rozenhal, it`s a shame mr lottito.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:52 pm

actually it is not such a shame...if u see how Baronio played so far, u would understand that Lotito does not want to pay Ledesma 3 times more to do the same job...
Balla revitalised also Mauri, who plays pretty good recently...
about Pandev...we got Cruz as ideal replacement, plus look at the way Rocchi and Zarate are playing...
and Lotito is working on bringing a central defender, now that he got 7 millions on Lollo...
I think he is doing a rather good job...why bring expensive players when we have already 30 players in the squad? just get what we absolutely need and nothing more!
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:18 pm

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actually it is not such a shame...if u see how Baronio played so far, u would understand that Lotito does not want to pay Ledesma 3 times more to do the same job...
Balla revitalised also Mauri, who plays pretty good recently...
about Pandev...we got Cruz as ideal replacement, plus look at the way Rocchi and Zarate are playing...
and Lotito is working on bringing a central defender, now that he got 7 millions on Lollo...
I think he is doing a rather good job...why bring expensive players when we have already 30 players in the squad? just get what we absolutely need and nothing more!

first: you really compare ledesma with baronio? affraid i saw all of our games except first half of last night game, i really dont see anything from baronio, & in such big game like inter i didnt saw him even in field, then u see same job? ledesma is almost world class player that really can help us both league & especially in European league.

second: we saw that in all of these years that players like mauri are not steady good players, they are good in some period of season & disaster in others period, so we really can build our team on such players?

third: cruz is replacement for pandev? again i`m really amazed from your words, can u tell me what criteria of pandev is like cruz? even they dont playing in same position, cruz is ace forward like rocchi not like pandev, we really need a player like matuzalem, zarate, foggia,... in behind of rocchi & cruz. that position pandev playing like always as a second fw.

fourth: i`m agree that we have so many players, but so many unusable players, u think with maybe manfredini, makinwa, firmani & baronio & del nero, ... we can playing against big teams in Europe ? dont forget that we are playing in the big several cups, so we must made a so so better team than last season, but i think our team if we`ll have no change in this week is weaker than last season, dont u think? even we couldnt remain our best layers like rozenhal, pandev, & maybe ledesma & even LDS.

any way i think our best action this pre season was cruz taransfer that guaranties our ace forward. & maybe sell of LDS when we have lich as a first choice & scaloni for second bc really be second choice of LDS didnt have any profit to us & him self.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:25 pm

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drazvan wrote:
actually it is not such a shame...if u see how Baronio played so far, u would understand that Lotito does not want to pay Ledesma 3 times more to do the same job...
Balla revitalised also Mauri, who plays pretty good recently...
about Pandev...we got Cruz as ideal replacement, plus look at the way Rocchi and Zarate are playing...
and Lotito is working on bringing a central defender, now that he got 7 millions on Lollo...
I think he is doing a rather good job...why bring expensive players when we have already 30 players in the squad? just get what we absolutely need and nothing more!

first: you really compare ledesma with baronio? affraid i saw all of our games except first half of last night game, i really dont see anything from baronio, & in such big game like inter i didnt saw him even in field, then u see same job? ledesma is almost world class player that really can help us both league & especially in European league.

second: we saw that in all of these years that players like mauri are not steady good players, they are good in some period of season & disaster in others period, so we really can build our team on such players?

third: cruz is replacement for pandev? again i`m really amazed from your words, can u tell me what criteria of pandev is like cruz? even they dont playing in same position, cruz is ace forward like rocchi not like pandev, we really need a player like matuzalem, zarate, foggia,... in behind of rocchi & cruz. that position pandev playing like always as a second fw.

fourth: i`m agree that we have so many players, but so many unusable players, u think with maybe manfredini, makinwa, firmani & baronio & del nero, ... we can playing against big teams in Europe ? dont forget that we are playing in the big several cups, so we must made a so so better team than last season, but i think our team if we`ll have no change in this week is weaker than last season, dont u think? even we couldnt remain our best layers like rozenhal, pandev, & maybe ledesma & even LDS.

any way i think our best action this pre season was cruz taransfer that guaranties our ace forward. & maybe sell of LDS when we have lich as a first choice & scaloni for second bc really be second choice of LDS didnt have any profit to us & him self.

Boys boys boys..

Let's just wait until then end of the tranfer window and then we will see what happens..

We have started with 1 win...and have produced some decent results...lets be happy with that..

Their will be another defender come in..and i am sure we will know whether we will keep Ledesma or bring in someone else...as for Pandev his lazio career is over..
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:49 pm

7 m for lds its to much(but i dont complain bom ),lets hope that pandev will sign for WHU (5m - and his contract with us its just for the year(june 2010) lets be fair is enough(its another thing that we didnt sign him a year(or half) before),plus half of the deal if he moved for the years or two,in this situation we are not in position to preach and have a special attitudes but just take the money before is to late,in the end of the end he will play in another lige.before him paulo was there,now he had valon ....time is running ,just to read that is official
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:35 pm

Well LDS has completed his medical in Prato and all has been successful.

An announcement is to be made by Fiorentina within the next 24 hours. He will take over from Gianluca Comotto on the right side.

The transfer fee is.....And wait for it.... Around 8m (to be confirmed) for LDS that the Viola will pay Lazio..

For me this is a dream come true...We are more than covered in the right back area and are deficient in the CB area..

8m for a player that is unproven, is disloyal and is so demanding at an early age and is not prepared to wait his chance, is a dream come true for us.

8m that can be greatly invested into a strong and talented CB..

Let\'s hope that Lotito does the right thing with this money..

From reports it seems that Ballardini wants either Canini from Cagliari or Rever from Gremio...


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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:40 pm

And I believe Canini is our man with 6 million believed to be the price on his head...
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:42 pm

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And I believe Canini is our man with 6 million believed to be the price on his head...

Is Canini worth 6m?

To be honest I haven't seen him play very much...I know he suffered an injury and was out..

But from what you have seen do you believe he is a good fit for Lazio?
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:46 pm

Ballardini has worked with Canini at two clubs; if Davide thinks he's the man, I trust him on that. From what I've seen, he would be a decent acquisition but he is young and would surely improve.

Dean Ashton for West Ham has just retired through injury; that's why Pandev might make his way over but one of my sources tells me that Marouane Chamakh is about to sign for them. Possible hitch in that deal but not necessarily.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:55 pm

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Ballardini has worked with Canini at two clubs; if Davide thinks he's the man, I trust him on that. From what I've seen, he would be a decent acquisition but he is young and would surely improve.

Dean Ashton for West Ham has just retired through injury; that's why Pandev might make his way over but one of my sources tells me that Marouane Chamakh is about to sign for them. Possible hitch in that deal but not necessarily.

That is fair enough..If he has worked with him he knows him better than anyone else..I think Canini was being monitored by Milan also before he was injured..

Interesting that Chamakh would go to West Ham after Arsenal were hot on him..He has recently stated he isn't going anywhere..so would be strange for him to not want to follow up that interest with the Gunners...See how that pans out..

Heard about Ashton aswell..has he actually retired though? Zola said that it wasn't true...in any case they paid 7m for him and he is only 25..would be a disaster for West Ham...

I believe they are after Pandev, but also after a loan move for Eidur Gudjohnsen from Barca...

In any case, wouldn't be happy with Pandev's fee, but I guess with his contract expiring next summer, we don't have much choice do we..5m is better than nothing..
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:38 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/8218303.stm

West Ham's transfer plans as the BBC understand them. No word of Pandev.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:06 pm

Caxi wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/8218303.stm

West Ham's transfer plans as the BBC understand them. No word of Pandev.

He stated minute ago in the sports news that the west ham rumor is made up. Also he said that he wants to leave Lazio for bigger club as he already prove himself here. He state that no extension is possible and the question is when he will leave.




The above is his call to the news. I personally would have wanted to capture 1-2 star players for him or at least good money. Overall bad managed situation.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:30 pm

Caxi wrote:
And I believe Canini is our man with 6 million believed to be the price on his head...

I hope your right. A young player with good talent, and as you point out, a prior working relationship with Ballardini that should make a transition to Lazio much easier, after all he knows the coach and that he would value him as a player.

About LDS, well this is a good deal. Lets be honest, Lich is much much better and is young also, so he will improve as time goes by. Scaloni is a decent understudy in this role. And, the money recieved, along with the cash from the Rozenhal deal, should see us more than able to re-invest in a new defender quickly. We do need Ledesma back though for me, we were good yesturday but weak in the middle of the park for me. Hopefully, we can resolve this.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:44 pm

Jofo wrote:
Caxi wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/8218303.stm

West Ham's transfer plans as the BBC understand them. No word of Pandev.

He stated minute ago in the sports news that the west ham rumor is made up. Also he said that he wants to leave Lazio for bigger club as he already prove himself here. He state that no extension is possible and the question is when he will leave.




The above is his call to the news. I personally would have wanted to capture 1-2 star players for him or at least good money. Overall bad managed situation.

West Ham is not an unlikely destination but I guess these rumours are linked to Jimenez/Behrami's presence at West Ham and also the supposed retirement of Dean Ashton. It seemed believable.

However, I don't actually believe we've had a bid for Goran. And I believe his heart has been in a Juve move all along, either that, or he just thought he was so good that big clubs would have been hot on the chase for him. It hasn't happened so now he's risking his whole career. Very stupid.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:43 pm

Marouane Chamakh to sign for West Ham I Believe, further dismissing the Pandev Ruomer.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:40 am

It seems that if we are to get a Centre Back, the favourite is most definitley Rever from Gremio.

24 years old, 6 foot 4 Inches. One of the best Centre Backs in the Brazilian Championship (Massive Achievement)

Seems very promising.

His agent confirmed out interest, and that of many other European Clubs, but there has been nothing concrete yet, but he will most definitley consider any offer that arrives on the table.

Wow, has all the attributes that we need. Would be more than happy if he were to arrive.

All Brazilian CB's? Cribari & Rever? Haha.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:35 am

Unfortunately Brazil did not get to be arguably the strongest football nation thanks to it's defenders. and isn't Rever the second choice after Miranda? that's what I read.

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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:19 am

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Unfortunately Brazil did not get to be arguably the strongest football nation thanks to it's defenders. and isn't Rever the second choice after Miranda? that's what I read.

I've heard Canini is first choice.

Media hedging bets much?
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:13 pm

I am wondering what is inside Pandev's brain? I mean moving from Lazio to Zenit or West Ham is sort of a dead-end...same for Ledesma...moving to Parma or Udinese...I mean they have a great chance...with them in the team and with an extra (good) defender like Dainelli, Canini or so I really think we have a reasonable chance at a first 4 spot this year...we are of course still behind Inter and Juve, but I think we are at least at the same level with Milan, Roma and Fiorentina...

Muslera/Bizzari
Lichsteiner/Scaloni, Dainelli/Canini, Dhiakite/Cribari/Siviglia, Kolarov/Radu
Brocchi/Dabo, Ledesma/Baronio, Matuzalem/Meghni
Foggia/Eliseu/Mauri
Zarate/Cruz, Pandev/Rocchi

With those 2 mercenaries back in the team and with 1 extra center back, I think we are fully covered on all positions.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:29 pm

I would take Rever over Canini any day of the week though. No doubt we'il end up getting none of them though.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:41 pm

We are set to luanch one final assault on Miranda according to TMW, the Lotito Way (Loan with option to buy).

Also we have been offered Vegard Forren from Molde in Norway.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:52 pm

No disrespect to Forren, but who is he? scratch

Lazio and Fiorentina are considering doing a season long loan swap deal for Ledesma and Kuzmanovic. Interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:39 pm

Bobbi wrote:
No disrespect to Forren, but who is he? scratch

Lazio and Fiorentina are considering doing a season long loan swap deal for Ledesma and Kuzmanovic. Interesting.
Ledesma is better than Kuzmanovic. But if Lotito gets D'Agostino, that's a massive coup.

People question his quality??? The guy is as good a regista as Ledesma and he scores a lot of goals. Only downside is he isn't as good defensively, but we already have mediani who can win the ball and add some steel to midfield.

Lazio midfield with D'Agostino would be the step up we need to challenge for 4th (provided we get a defender, which I'm not confident we will).

No one wants Stendardo cause let's face it, a very average defender that has cause trouble in 2 dressing rooms in 3 years?? Hardly a hot prospect. But we need to sell Big G to get a new defender.

Hence why Lotito is offering Udinese Ledesma plus Stendardo (and/or Meghni) to take D'Ago. We solve the problem of another 'dissidente', we sign a top class replacement and by selling Stendardo, we free up a place for a new central defender.

I don't think that this will pan out cause Udinese don't want to sell until next season when they can get big money from a Juventus or Milan, but if it does, then Lotito will pull of a small piece of mercato magic.

Here's some actual news...Ettore Mendicino will apparently be loaned to Crotone on Thursday. Good for him to get some experience in Serie B.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:55 pm

Bobbi wrote:
No disrespect to Forren, but who is he?
Lazio and Fiorentina are considering doing a season long loan swap deal for Ledesma and Kuzmanovic. Interesting.

Forren is not good enough. He is a pretty good talent but he is still too young. Also Molde have said they won't sell more players since Diouf was sold for €6 mill to Man Utd.
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PostSubject: Re: Transfers and rumours 08 09 section 3   Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:44 pm

Bobbi wrote:
No disrespect to Forren, but who is he? scratch

Lazio and Fiorentina are considering doing a season long loan swap deal for Ledesma and Kuzmanovic. Interesting.

Plays at Molde and has been solid there, but it remains to be seen how he does at a higher level. Still pretty young too (turned 21 this year I belive). I would'nt pay too much for him, but it might be worth a gamble. Would be nice to see a norwegian at Lazio too.
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