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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:45 pm

I want to add one statemet regarding LDS case. Most of us agree that he's not as good as Lichstainer, but he's 21 years old (which means he still has plenty of time to improve. Remember Oddo? He has become a good defender at 28 years or so..) and what is most important, he's a Roman and a Laziale. For example, Firmani isn't very good player either, but everyone loves seeing him with Lazio shirt. The only difference is that Fabio soon will end his carrier, while Lollo is only beginning it.. Talking about Lochstainer, he's 5 years older than Lollo, matured, experienced player and better player now. But most likely in a fiew years he'll get a better contract than Lotito can offer and he will decide to leave (I'm not 100% certain that this going to happen, but past experience shows that many foreigners leave..), so what will we have than? Nothing! Licht dissapeared, Lollo too.. There's just my foughts. I just want to say that we should rely more on our own players instead of buying foreigners, who often playes only for the money. I agree that Lorenzo still isn't good player, but letting him go would be a mistake, because he's still very young and promissing (he's TWO years younger than Criscito, De Ceglie, Santacroche, Motta, Bocchetti, young italian defenders who are considered to be young and immatured)
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:37 pm

You are right Gizas!

BUT, LDS is not ready to fight for his place. He wants to leave, because he canīt "beat" Lichti. If he would be a real Laziale, he would fight for his place in the first eleven.

When heīs not ready to fight, we donīt need him, also when heīs Roman and Laziale.
Lichti does a better job. Heīs fighting more.

Nobody gets a first team place as a gift.

Lichti is 26. He can play easily for the next 5 years for us. In 5 years there can be other alternatives for this position - not only De Silvestri.


Itīs like the same case like Tuiaīs. Most of the people said that he would become the "next Nesta". But heīs not ready. And if heīs not ready in the next 3-5 years then heīs never ready.

What I want to say is - I think that Lorenzo will never be such a good player who deserves a first team place.

Look - itīs horrible when you are not nominated to the Under 21 EM, when the coach is an ex Laziale. Nobody see a big quality in De Silvestri.

Heīs a good back up, nothing more. Thatīs reality.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:58 pm

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The thing is....everytime Lotito has 'lost' one of these players he has always brought in someone better.

Then I do not understand why we still remain a mediocre team.

Anyway, the very sad thing in all this situation is that many Lazio fans got accustomed to that.

Reading some of the posts, actually, it seems people do appreciate it! Then let's have some more of this nice ghost project, or another random market with last minute deals, some "nasty wives" tales, or not working fax machines legends, pizza&fichi sponsors and so on. Everything, of course, dressed with generous helpings of arrogance.

I must me odd, but I think this menu is ****.

Even the famous Alberto Sordi's Borgorosso football club was managed better than Lazio...
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:25 pm

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centrocampista wrote:
Why is it Udinese with their resources can manage such a great transferbalance? Because they have knowledge of football.

That's too nice from you to come up with such a nonsense example. So Udinese is able to keep it's best players, play for titles and always qualifies for Europe? Maybe I didn't follow it correctly but I think they got exactly ZERO TITOLI, always sell their stars (started with Bierhoff, Amoroso and so on back in the 90s and continues till now with Quagliarella being the latest one) and once made it to the CL. Well, now that's great...

Maybe some of you should just wake up and be happy what we can do with what we have and under the current circumstances. Seems like some of you just care too much about players, coaches or presidents. Shut up and support the club for god's sake!

You are aware that Udinese are considered the best run club in italy right?
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:48 pm

Udinese the best run club in Serie A? Where have they progressed in the last 10 years? They're exactly like us and will eventually go down as many have and will. Parma were considered a fairly well run club until they had fnancial problems and went down.

I wish I knew more about the situation in and around Rome but from where I'm sitting, we are a club that remarkably survived extinction and where any long-term president was going to be unfit to tie Cragnotti's boots. Since 2004, my expectations for this club have been exceeded dramatically and I hope they continue to be.

There are many fronts on which to criticise Lotito, however, his transfer policy is not a major issue for me as we are still in Serie A, have won a trophy and are making Europe on a fairly regular basis. He's doing something right on that front.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:01 pm

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Udinese the best run club in Serie A? Where have they progressed in the last 10 years? They're exactly like us and will eventually go down as many have and will. Parma were considered a fairly well run club until they had fnancial problems and went down.

I wish I knew more about the situation in and around Rome but from where I'm sitting, we are a club that remarkably survived extinction and where any long-term president was going to be unfit to tie Cragnotti's boots. Since 2004, my expectations for this club have been exceeded dramatically and I hope they continue to be.

There are many fronts on which to criticise Lotito, however, his transfer policy is not a major issue for me as we are still in Serie A, have won a trophy and are making Europe on a fairly regular basis. He's doing something right on that front.

Caxi??

I took you for a much smarter man.

Udinese in the same position as us?

Can someone else please explain to the man why we are nothing like Udinese.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:59 pm

I am not sure what this thread is really about, it seems as if most twist and turn it their own way. I think Centrocampista is correct; the way lotito treats players is pure smelling as and eventually they get fed up (even if the cases are not similar with the different players mentioned, but still). Not only that, most other presidents dislike him, as does a large part of the fans of his own team. He might be good with the books, keeping things in balance, but he is disgusting when it comes to relations to other people (as it seems) and therefore he might hit a bargain every here and there (Lichty, maybe even Zarate), but he messes everything up in the end (Pandev, Ledesma). If a club wants to DEVELOP, and have a project, the main ingredient is that key players need to be kept. We have heard Pandev and Ledesma comment on the contract negotiations for a very long time, and if only Lotito knew how to treat people, we would have developed by now. They would have had new contracts, or they would have been sold without threats, fifa rulings or any other thing.

In my eyes, we havent developed recently, and as long as Lotito runs his own show, we will have a hard time doing that. On very few occasions I am ready to agree that he has had good summer signings, but mostly they have stunk. He has not really evoked a new "Lazio spirit", and he didnt even have the decensy to end things with Rossi in a nice way. lotito is our main problem, in all areas, and the keeping of key players is one of these.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:19 am

centrocampista wrote:
Il Capitano wrote:
centrocampista wrote:
Why is it Udinese with their resources can manage such a great transferbalance? Because they have knowledge of football.

That's too nice from you to come up with such a nonsense example. So Udinese is able to keep it's best players, play for titles and always qualifies for Europe? Maybe I didn't follow it correctly but I think they got exactly ZERO TITOLI, always sell their stars (started with Bierhoff, Amoroso and so on back in the 90s and continues till now with Quagliarella being the latest one) and once made it to the CL. Well, now that's great...

Maybe some of you should just wake up and be happy what we can do with what we have and under the current circumstances. Seems like some of you just care too much about players, coaches or presidents. Shut up and support the club for god's sake!

You are aware that Udinese are considered the best run club in italy right?

With how many superstars like Zarate and how many titles? Nuff said, thanks... Wink
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:23 am

Too many stories, too many media involved. Who knows who is right and who is wrong. The coin usually has two sides. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:40 am

Spot on Jofo, that sums up the situation perfectly in my opinion.

People speak about his bad personal relationship with players, and where it may be true, I don't think telling the media you want to move to a bigger club or want more money is a decent thing to do when you are a fan favourite. So, the players as people, I've lost a lot of respect for.

I don't think it was decent of Rossi to declare his departure to the media before Lotito, regardless of what may have occurred between them. Yes, that was a two finger gesture to the president but also to the fans who supported him for 5 years.

Claudio, Delio, the players; they're all human, all flawed, all make mistakes and from what I can see, all as bad as each other.

I support La Lazio and even if I'm not a fan of everyone at the club, I will support the personalities because as of now, I do not see an alternative.

When there is an alternative, or when the fans start working together to do something about it, perhaps then I will rethink my viewpoint.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:11 am

Jofo wrote:
Too many stories, too many media involved. Who knows who is right and who is wrong. The coin usually has two sides. Wink

Of course every story has two sides but that doesnīt mean one of the sides is right - The Nazis and the Allies where two sides to the same story but no one in his right mind would say that the Nazis had a valid point.

I feel I have said what I want to say on this matter. Now letīs hope for a successful mercato because after all every man deserves a second chance and I would reallly love to see a great Lazio next season - even though I doubt it (Iīm honestly only 30% certain Zarate will join Crying or Very sad ).
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:57 am

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Iīm honestly only 30% certain Zarate will join Crying or Very sad .

Want some tissues? Can't stand your attitude, really. I hade to admit that I also have hardly any kind of respect without knowledge regarding the things that they are talking about. Mamma mia!
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:54 pm

Jofo wrote:
Too many stories, too many media involved. Who knows who is right and who is wrong. The coin usually has two sides. Wink

cheers

Probably the most clever thing said in yet another one of centrocampista's frustration-topics. Some people have little or no knowledge about any off the issues whatsoever, but make conclusions from thousands of kilometres away from Rome, based on their personal beliefs and on non-arguments, which is simply ridiculous. There was a huge part of those people who turned with the wind when they had no choice but to admit that the president did good last season, others - like centrocampista - will do anything to try and get their point proven. What point? Mmm, you know I don't even know anymore. Oh, but wasn't it centrocampista that said no fans should enter the stadium anymore as long as Lotito was president? For me, that says enough, this man is not a Laziale. I'm not the biggest fan of Lotito either, but I support my one and only love, and that is SS LAZIO. Forever, and ever. Today more than yesterday, less than tomorrow.

Again, centrocampista, go have a beer and relax a bit, I'm sure you can use the sunlight.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:00 pm

Lucky Strike wrote:
Jofo wrote:
Too many stories, too many media involved. Who knows who is right and who is wrong. The coin usually has two sides. Wink

cheers

Probably the most clever thing said in yet another one of centrocampista's frustration-topics. Some people have little or no knowledge about any off the issues whatsoever, but make conclusions from thousands of kilometres away from Rome, based on their personal beliefs and on non-arguments, which is simply ridiculous. There was a huge part of those people who turned with the wind when they had no choice but to admit that the president did good last season, others - like centrocampista - will do anything to try and get their point proven. What point? Mmm, you know I don't even know anymore. Oh, but wasn't it centrocampista that said no fans should enter the stadium anymore as long as Lotito was president? For me, that says enough, this man is not a Laziale. I'm not the biggest fan of Lotito either, but I support my one and only love, and that is SS LAZIO. Forever, and ever. Today more than yesterday, less than tomorrow.

Again, centrocampista, go have a beer and relax a bit, I'm sure you can use the sunlight.


Lotitos actions canīt be valued annually.

Last summer we loaned a couple of players instead of signing them outright and we didnīt resolve contract iussues with key players - itīs like when a sprinter takes cocaine ahead of a race - he might win but if he dies in a heart attack due to the strain - was it then a sucessful race?
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:10 pm

centrocampista wrote:
Lucky Strike wrote:
Jofo wrote:
Too many stories, too many media involved. Who knows who is right and who is wrong. The coin usually has two sides. Wink

cheers

Probably the most clever thing said in yet another one of centrocampista's frustration-topics. Some people have little or no knowledge about any off the issues whatsoever, but make conclusions from thousands of kilometres away from Rome, based on their personal beliefs and on non-arguments, which is simply ridiculous. There was a huge part of those people who turned with the wind when they had no choice but to admit that the president did good last season, others - like centrocampista - will do anything to try and get their point proven. What point? Mmm, you know I don't even know anymore. Oh, but wasn't it centrocampista that said no fans should enter the stadium anymore as long as Lotito was president? For me, that says enough, this man is not a Laziale. I'm not the biggest fan of Lotito either, but I support my one and only love, and that is SS LAZIO. Forever, and ever. Today more than yesterday, less than tomorrow.

Again, centrocampista, go have a beer and relax a bit, I'm sure you can use the sunlight.

Lotitos actions canīt be valued annually.

Last summer we loaned a couple of players instead of signing them outright and we didnīt resolve contract iussues with key players - itīs like when a sprinter takes cocaine ahead of a race - he might win but if he dies in a heart attack due to the strain - was it then a sucessful race?

My God, you really don't have a clue. I feel sorry.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:13 pm

Hey centrocampista, I saw a shop online which offers some sort of brain in combination with intelligence. However I doubt you are interested, but in case, just let me know. tongue Last year Lotito loaned a player like Matuzalem or Zarate because we couldn't afford to buy him. So actually it was a smart move, also since Matuzalem was often injured the last years.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:20 pm

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Hey centrocampista, I saw a shop online which offers some sort of brain in combination with intelligence. However I doubt you are interested, but in case, just let me know. tongue Last year Lotito loaned a player like Matuzalem or Zarate because we couldn't afford to buy him. So actually it was a smart move, also since Matuzalem was often injured the last years.

Do you know how stuid your reasoning is?

You say - itīs good that we loaned players because it turned out that one was injured and the other turned out to be a hit.

Thatīs taking a gamble on 2 players instead of making sure that players such as Pandev and Ledesma, who have brought results constantly, stay at the club.

Why do I even bother??
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Thu Jul 02, 2009 11:28 pm

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Do you know how stuid your reasoning is?

You say - itīs good that we loaned players because it turned out that one was injured and the other turned out to be a hit.

Thatīs taking a gamble on 2 players instead of making sure that players such as Pandev and Ledesma, who have brought results constantly, stay at the club.

Why do I even bother??

Maybe you forgot that Pandev and Ledesma still have contracts running... Please give all of us a break and start to understand how the football (sports) world works. Might take some time so no problem if you come back in a year or two and disappear in the meantime. tongue
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:30 am

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Caxi wrote:
Udinese the best run club in Serie A? Where have they progressed in the last 10 years? They're exactly like us and will eventually go down as many have and will. Parma were considered a fairly well run club until they had fnancial problems and went down.

I wish I knew more about the situation in and around Rome but from where I'm sitting, we are a club that remarkably survived extinction and where any long-term president was going to be unfit to tie Cragnotti's boots. Since 2004, my expectations for this club have been exceeded dramatically and I hope they continue to be.

There are many fronts on which to criticise Lotito, however, his transfer policy is not a major issue for me as we are still in Serie A, have won a trophy and are making Europe on a fairly regular basis. He's doing something right on that front.

Caxi??

I took you for a much smarter man.

Udinese in the same position as us?

Can someone else please explain to the man why we are nothing like Udinese.

The thing is, if we did business the same way as Udinese then you would spend everyday with posts against Lotito saying why do we keep selling our stars, we will never progress at this rate, etc. Udinese may be a smart team and turn a good profit but they have never won a thing! So yes, they are a successful business but not a successful sporting team!

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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:02 am

centrocampista wrote:
Il Capitano wrote:
Hey centrocampista, I saw a shop online which offers some sort of brain in combination with intelligence. However I doubt you are interested, but in case, just let me know. tongue Last year Lotito loaned a player like Matuzalem or Zarate because we couldn't afford to buy him. So actually it was a smart move, also since Matuzalem was often injured the last years.

Do you know how stuid your reasoning is?

You say - itīs good that we loaned players because it turned out that one was injured and the other turned out to be a hit.

Thatīs taking a gamble on 2 players instead of making sure that players such as Pandev and Ledesma, who have brought results constantly, stay at the club.

Why do I even bother??

The more I read your posts, the more I feel sorry for you. A gamble? What the hell are you talking about. Have you ever thought about the fact that getting Zarate on a loan - and later buying him - was simply a brilliant (brilliant!) move? And I'm so sorry to tell you, but that bloody bastard Lotito was behind this move.

Why do you bother? I don't know either man, I really don't know. Go create some anti-Lotito organisation and enjoy yourself, but please stop bothering the real Laziali on this forum. Cuz really, you're not.

Ciao!
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:51 am

Giolazio wrote:
they [Udinese] are a successful business but not a successful sporting team!

And is that not exactly what we are? We went from the verge of bankruptcy 5/6 years ago to being able to splash 20million on Zarate nowadays. That's a successful business in my eyes.

Some may regard the Coppa as success, some may regard European qualification as success. Some regard European trophies and Scudettos as success. Success is difficult to measure. However, I think it's easy to see we are more successful than Udinese.

Anyway, this topic is now pointless in my opinion...
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:36 pm

ok these is the table of last season in serie a

-13 pt from 6 place(merda place) and +13 from place in serie b,and we have a good season!?!?!!?!?!?

i dont think so!!
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:39 pm

But when you consider we have a Coppa Italia to our name and the gap to Rioma was double that the season before, then it looks a vast improvement.

Success is virtually impossible to measure.
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:39 pm

viper wrote:
ok these is the table of last season in serie a

-13 pt from 6 place(merda place) and +13 from place in serie b,and we have a good season!?!?!!?!?!?

i dont think so!!
so youre not happy with the coppa? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: You only have yourself to blame Lotito.   Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:00 pm

far from that that i am not nappy but coppa it's only coppa!

we are playing in serie a and not in coppa a if you know what i mean!
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