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PostSubject: Lazio and Argentines   Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:35 pm

Where has this relationship formed from, I understand that there is an Italy Argentina relationship full stop, I believe Zarate has italian roots of some kind but its definately a reoccuring theme. At the moment we have Zarate, Ledesma, Cruz, Bizzarri, Scaloni, Correa and recently letting Carrizo on loan, when we look even further back we have the likes of Veron, Crespo, Almeyda, Castroman, C.Lopez, Lequi, Sensini, Simeone, Sorin briefly and more. Is it because of passports or what is it?
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:47 pm

I can't give you a precise answer but Lotito has stated in the past that he tends to look at players for Argentina as they will nearly always settle with ease in Italy. Also, since the Cragnotti era, many of our current Argentinians looked up to previous stars and of course, this makes us lucrative to them.

Whether there is a deeper link, I'm not sure as Italy in general has almost been overwhelmed by in recent years.

Part of it is passports as well by the way. You're right with that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:10 pm

I guess the main reason behind the Argentina and Serie A link is that Argentina is full of second and third generation Italian immigrants. They, as Caxi said, adjust superbly to the Italian league which is why alot of them choose Serie A. Lazio have always had a strong Argentine contingent, I don't know why it started but it will continue because the Argentines recognise this and would like to follow in the footsteps of their heroes.

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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:22 pm

In the 30's we were nicknamed Brasilazio because of the major Brazil contingent.

In my view it was the willingness of Argentinian talented players to come to Europe and their ability to adapt to the style of play that's the main reason.
Remember, not many of the Argies came directly to Lazio, they came from other Serie A sides.
I always liked this link, some of the best players since I started following Lazio were argies, so let's keep that ball rolling.

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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:45 am

Great tradition we have with Argentina players. Some of the finest to wear our strip have come from that country, Almeyda, Simeone, Veron to name a few. Great to see that tradtion continue, and long may it.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:18 am

Argentina is like an extension of Italy (Uruguay as well, but that country is much smaller).

Players from these countries adapt well in Italy because the cultures are very similar, and a city like Roma and a club with the atmosphere of Lazio is not so different from what they have back home. The game is played with similar styles as well, Argentines and Uruguayans have a certain discipline in addition to their natural flair.

The language barrier is really the only thing, and for Spanish speakers, learning Italian is not so difficult.

Therefore you have extremely talented players that can adapt easily to Italy and come at a relatively cheap price compared to Europeans of similar ability.

Sometimes I get disappointed that there are so few Italians in the Lazio 11, but the connection with Argentina for me is excellent, it more than makes up for it.

I love that banner at Olimpico which says "Brigata Argentina", IMO it makes a great nickname for our side.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:07 pm

All points I agree with however, you dont see sides like Milan, Fiorentina with the number of argentines we have had
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Mon Aug 03, 2009 9:57 pm

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All points I agree with however, you dont see sides like Milan, Fiorentina with the number of argentines we have had

Milan is dutch/brasilian and who gives a ff about Florentia Viola anyway

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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:22 pm

yes,i cant imagine our team without argentinians,since the 90-is when was rule to dont have more than 3 "stranger" we haved chamot,than it was contunied with a contigent,expecialy our champions team was a big argen contigent(sensini,almeida,veron,simeone,crespo...)also our shirts was like argent national sides shirts.Also this players was not a simple ones -all off them in every generation was our spirit.Yes we like the argentina brigades,argentina flags in our game,i hope that this will be contunied,great topic
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:45 pm

Eduardo Galleano wrote about this in a book he authored on worldwide football mentioning European companies making great business in South America, and Italian companies very huge on Argentinian market, having Argentines playing in Italy would make better business connections there. I remember reading something in Swedish papers (as they were proud of Sven-Goran) when Lazio won scudetto about Cirio and Del Monte very huge in Argentine thanks to lot of Cragnottis work

I don't know at all, but could be money involved as usual, and that is great for our club getting connections with one of the best talentraising countries on earth
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:39 pm

Good point 3isa. I guess it could work commercially just like if we signed a Japanese player they would probably show our games in Japan which would not only be good for the team but all the sponsors involved.

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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Mon Aug 10, 2009 7:22 pm

Sile wrote:
Sturges wrote:
All points I agree with however, you dont see sides like Milan, Fiorentina with the number of argentines we have had

Milan is dutch/brasilian and who gives a ff about Florentia Viola anyway

Im not saying that, Im saying Argentines adapt well in Italy yet they mostly end up in Laziali colours
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:24 pm

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Sile wrote:
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All points I agree with however, you dont see sides like Milan, Fiorentina with the number of argentines we have had

Milan is dutch/brasilian and who gives a ff about Florentia Viola anyway

Im not saying that, Im saying Argentines adapt well in Italy yet they mostly end up in Laziali colours

Napoli also have a history of looking to South America for players, Argentina in particular, although they've also had big success with Brazil.

Inter are synonymous with Argentines, mostly in recent years.

and lastly, I wouldn't sign any players based on cracking a foreign market ie. Japan. I'd sign players based only on 2 factors, how good they are technically and are they willing to put body and soul into playing for la maglia. Nationality is irrelevant.
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:10 pm

THE LIST (maybe missed one or two)

Evaristo BARRERA (1911) > Racing Club > 1939 > 1940 > Lazio


Silvestro PISA (1916) > Independiente > 1939 > 1943 > Lazio


Enrique FLAMINI (1917) > Racing Club > 1939 > 1952 >Lazio


Salvatore GUALTIERI (1917) > San Lorenzo > 1940 > 1949 > Lazio


Anselmo PISA (1918) > Banfield > 1940 > 1941 > Lazio


Alberto FAZIO (1918) > San Lorenzo > 1940 > 1943 > Lazio


Salustiano Perfecto VIDAL (1920) > Independiente > 1947 > 1948 > Lazio


Enrico MARTEGANI (1925) > Palermo > 1955 > 1956 > Lazio


Juan Carlos MORRONE (1941) > Atalanta > 1960 > 1964 + 1966 > 1971 > Lazio


Gustavo Abel DEZOTTI (1964) > Newell's Old Boys > 1988 > 1989 > Lazio


Pedro Antonio TROGLIO (1965) > Verona > 1989 > 1991 > Lazio


Roberto Nestor SENSINI (1966) > Parma > 1999 > 2001 > Lazio


José Antonio CHAMOT (1969) > Foggia > 1994 > 1998 > Lazio


Diego Pablo SIMEONE (1970) > Inter > 1999 > 2003 > Lazio


Matias Jesus ALMEYDA (1973) > Sevilla > 1997 > 2000 > Lazio


Julio CRUZ (1974) > Inter > 2009 > 20?? > Lazio


Javier Claudio LOPEZ (1974) > Valencia > 2000 > 2004 > Lazio


Hernan Jorge CRESPO (1975) > Parma > 2000 > 2002 > Lazio


Juan Sebastian VERON (1975) > Parma > 1999 > 2001 > Lazio


Juan Pablo SORIN (1976) > Cruzeiro > 2002 > 2003 > Lazio


Albano BIZZARI (1977) > Catania > 2009 > 20?? > Lazio


Esteban Nicolas GONZALEZ (1978) > Gimnasia La Plata > 2004 > 2005 > Lazio


Lionel SCALONI (1978) > Santander > 2007 > 20?? > Lazio


Lucas Martin CASTROMAN (1980) > Velez Sarsfield > 2001 > 2003 > Lazio


Matias Emanuel LEQUI (1981) > Atletico Madrid > 2004 > 2006 > Lazio


Leonardo José TALAMONTI (1981) > Rosario Central > 2004 > 2005 > Lazio


Cristian Daniel LEDESMA (1982) > Lecce > 2006 > 20?? > Lazio


Juan Pablo CARRIZO (1984) > River Plate > 2008 > 20?? > Lazio


Lucas Alberto CORREA (1984) > Lanciano > 2007 > 20?? > Lazio


Mauro ZARATE (1987) > Al-Sadd > 2008 > 20?? > Lazio
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:03 pm

Hahaha Lequi! That's what I call a defender of PURE CLASS!!!!! No

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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:20 pm

Lucas Martin Castroman!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:07 pm

Namortsac wrote:
Lucas Martin Castroman!!!



Ci siamo ancora!
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:58 am

how time is running fast,castroman get back for another derby
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:40 am

i have always liked this link between Lazio and Argentina.. as well as the link with Serbia...
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PostSubject: Re: Lazio and Argentines   Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:24 pm

Maybe its becuz of the colors, biancoceleste and albiceleste Very Happy
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